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littlbit

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More about Supplements
« on: February 03, 2015, 09:31:58 AM »

Redhead65

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Re: More about Supplements
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2015, 12:32:05 PM »
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Jan in Key West

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Re: More about Supplements
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2015, 12:57:39 PM »
Yet another good reason to join Consumer Labs.......https://www.consumerlab.com

littlbit

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« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2015, 01:28:30 PM »
Sorry about that...one too many "http's".  Try this one.  I double checked it and it worked.


http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/02/03/new-york-attorney-general-targets-supplements-at-major-retailers/?_r=0

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« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2015, 03:45:37 PM »
This is mostly a political power play. If you read the article, you'll see puffery like “These products are not subject to F.D.A.’s premarket review or approval requirements for safety and effectiveness,” the F.D.A. stated, “nor to the agency’s rigorous manufacturing and testing standards for drugs.”, and the NYT hack is cheering them on for the whole article.

“Mislabeling, contamination and false advertising are illegal,” said Eric T. Schneiderman, the state attorney general.

The NYAG and the FDA have all the laws they need to:
1. test products (as they did here)
2. publish the results* (as they did here)
3. issue C&D notices (as they did here)
4. file criminal charges (and if the NYAG's science is valid [some question on that] go for it)

So why haven't they been doing this all along? Because they want more power, over both business and you, so they pretend their hands are tied.

They want prior restraint ("premarket review"). If they get that, say goodbye to supplements, as nothing will reach market that can't first be patent-protected for 20 years. And don't expect the FDA to ever really police even those. The FDA's process for real drugs assures basically nothing about safety and effectiveness. It does assure higher cost, and provides a gold mine for class action lawyers 2-3 years after a new, approved, drug is released.
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* Get a consumerlab subscription. Yes, that sort of testing is what your taxes are supposed to be paying for, but the FDA is actually about politics and protecting their pals in Big Drug (since many FDA employees are ex- and future BD workers).

Rita

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« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2015, 08:43:47 PM »
I love how they say that many of these supplements contain "houseplants."   What's that supposed to mean?  So if a plant can also be grown in the house it negates it from being medicinal?

Jan in Key West

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« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2015, 05:22:55 AM »
Yes, it's politically motivated.....Big Pharma would love to get their mits on the vitamin/supplement industry. But this is not a 'safety and effectiveness' issue....it's a truth in labeling issue. If I buy a fish oil capsule, I'd like to be confident that it contains fish oil and not a petroleum product.....if I buy ginger tea, I'd like to know it's really ginger tea.....or that pureed pumpkin is really pumpkin.....or a Curcumin capsule truly contains curcumin. And in an ideal world, the FDA would already be policing this.


The vitamin/supplement industry is huge.....why are we not surprised that there are some disingenuous manufacturers out there?

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Re: More about Supplements
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2015, 06:52:10 AM »
What's sad about most vitamins is that they are synthetic, and most of them are manufactured and imported from China and India.




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Re: More about Supplements
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2015, 04:51:57 AM »

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« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2015, 01:47:57 PM »
Just a little in defence here,  reading the comments. Firstly,  whether a vitamin is "naturally occurring" or "synthetic" it has the exact same molecular structur,  and works the same. Vitamin C is vitamin C, no matter what its source. Also, regarding manufacturers: when I was an Olympic weightlifter (a "few" years ago), I have it on good authority the reason our low dosage creatine caused such amazing results was because there were oral anabolic steroids in the powder (the source here being one of the heads of the manufacturer). Government bodies are by no means perfect, not by a long shot. But it is a lot better than having no regulation.

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« Reply #10 on: February 26, 2015, 03:11:11 AM »
CLA is not really comparable to vitamins, however. Vitamins which are synthesised are identical to naturally occurring vitamins. However... Vitamins are not always identical between food sources. For example, vitamin A isn't a single compound, but a group of similar compounds. Retanoic acid is structurally different from retinol, but both are A vitamins. However, retinol produced in a lab is structurally identical to retinol in food.

Barbara from New Jersey

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« Reply #11 on: February 26, 2015, 04:05:16 AM »
How is it then than folic acid, which is synthetic, can not be utilized by nearly half the population but naturally occurring folate (methyl folate) can be utilized?  Recommendations for Q-10 are also for the naturally occurring form rather than the synthetic.  There are many others which don't seem to be nearly as effective as the plant and food based.


Any insight would be appreciated!

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« Reply #12 on: February 26, 2015, 06:13:34 AM »
They're chemically different. Folates are reduced forms of folic acids, or in the case of methylfolate found as a calcium salt, which increases bioavailability. Methylation is quite a common biochemical alteration to prevent reactions when they wouldn't be advantageous.

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Re: More about Supplements
« Reply #13 on: February 26, 2015, 09:13:10 PM »

Just look at the wiki article on vitamin E to see
how many things are considered vitamin E.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitamin_E

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