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BarbinNC

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Cureality.com
« on: September 13, 2015, 09:06:48 AM »
I was wondering who all has joined and what you think/gain from it.  Is it worth the membership fee?  Can someone like me gain important info, not found otherwise?  Thanks for any and all advice. 

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Re: Cureality.com
« Reply #1 on: September 13, 2015, 01:04:35 PM »
Good question, Barb, I'd kinda like to know that myself.

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« Reply #2 on: September 13, 2015, 04:14:59 PM »
Edition: 2018-03-01

These comments are now about the Undoctored Inner Circle (UIC) site. They were originally about Cureality (Cr), which was itself an evolution of the older Track Your Plaque site (which now entirely re-directs to Cr). I can provide no information on the Wheat Belly Lifestyle Institute site, other than what any non-subscriber can see.

This semi review has been updated a couple of times to reflect the evolution of Cureality to UIC.

UIC has two membership levels, and the present WFF article is about the paid level. The free level provides access nearly identical to public access, with the ability to enter marker tracking data.

UIC is basically a new user interface to the same database and archive, shared with Cr. Credentials for one work on both. This is valuable, as a core resource (the forum) is a mirror at the basenote/comment level, so either view has full access to the other. New development is focused on UIC, but features may be deployed on both sites.

BarbinNC asked: Is it worth the membership fee?

Frequently, yes. You can browse quite a bit of the site without being a member. All of my reference articles there (see footer here) are public (other than those only meaningful to UIC members). So poke around before enrolling.

I would, however, recommend enrolling via the UIC site, rather than the Cureality site, if only because the default avatar assigned via Cr can mislead people responding to you.

UIC is particularly useful for
  • people with certain issues that don't resolve with just the core Undoctored program - several of these have UIC Protocols, or are UIC Advanced Topics, and you can see the topic titles on the main banner
  • people desiring to optimize healthspan, and who want to review speculative approaches months before they show up in blog posts (and years before books)
  • people who can take advantage of the interactive meal planner feature
UIC is not a book substitute, yet. It would serve a potential member to have a copy of Undoctored, although Wheat Belly Total Health would suffice. The UIC has added a Start Here video series (with transcripts), and a short Program Guide, but is not as yet a complete electronic replacement for the Undoctored book.

If you don't have either Wheat Belly Cookbook, the UIC site recipes probably suffice.

Whereas Cr had a start-with-your-problem focus, UIC has a start-with-the-core-program focus, and then a growing number of Protocols and Advanced Topics for dealing with anything that persists. The Advanced Topics are not considered settled, and are materially enhanced over time.

Perhaps the main benefits to UIC are:
  • Provides support for beyond-the-book situations. UIC has more depth of information for some less common conditions.
  • On-line reference information tends to be more up-to-date than the books, which is unsurprising since it's live web content and not dry ink.
  • The forum has a spectrum of users who have more expertise than you will find on random health forums, or in blog responses (yes, they know much more than I do). There are at least two MDs participating, in addition to Dr. Davis. There appears to be quite a bit of knowledge on MTHFR polymorphisms, for example. You can window-shop full basenotes in all of the non-administrative forums without being a member, and see short replies. Incorrect or wildly speculative information posted by users as fact tends to get politely corrected, whereas it may just go unchallenged on most open forums.
  • Unlike the blogs, of course, users can start topics. Topics stay open forever. Yes, you can ask questions on the blogs, but they are usually off-topic, and there is only one person who is reasonably likely to reply on the blogs (me).
  • Dr. Davis is much more likely to respond in the UIC forum than on either blog (but this is by no means assured). Just guessing, it may be the case that because a subscription is involved with UIC, it creates a deminimus doctor-patient relationship, giving him more leeway in personalized responses.

    The forum has a PM feature. Any random user you are trying to reach may or may not have PM enabled (just like any other forum with Private Messaging).
  • We occasionally see more speculative postings by Dr. Davis on the Cr forum. This one, on calcium, is publicly visible (well, the basenote anyway). Dr. Davis is a pretty cautious fellow, unlike some of the more flighty dissident doctors found on the web. By the time something makes it onto his blog (like GOS recently), and then into a later publication, he's pretty sure it's reliable.
  • The live video meet feature can be handy. There is usually a weekly ~1hr meet with Dr. Davis, where he often reports on new developments, and people can raise issues.
  • The Cr Dashboard feature is still available, and not yet ported to UIC. It allows you to enter lab results for tracking and analysis purposes. These were likely largely inherited from the prior TYP site, appear to be CVD focused, but would be very useful for someone trying to, for example, reverse a calcium score.
  • A lot of the newer site content is now videos (VIMEO). And most of it has transcripts (mostly done by me).
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Re: Cureality.com
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2015, 08:11:08 AM »
Very thorough analysis, Boundless, thank you so much.

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Re: Cureality.com
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2015, 08:22:37 AM »
Yes - thank you so very much, Boundless - for that detailed description.  I knew you were over there, and was hoping you would share your impressions.  Sure sounds worth while to me, and I will sign up for the basic membership, so I can start learning right now!  I will give up my Netflix subscription - which costs about the same, not using it much anyway - and start reading right now!!


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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2015, 07:41:52 AM »
Well, I did sign up two days ago, and must admit, I'm not impressed so far.  There seems to be no moderator actively involved with the forum, and as stated by Bob, most of the topics and advice can be found elsewhere. The website is hard to maneuver, and again, no response to a very comprehensive and logical recommendation by Boundless a month ago, on which changes they could easily incorporate to make navigation more efficient.


 There are some very interesting folks there, mostly for the heart health info, but I don't think I have much to gain from that place.  I sent an email to tell them I would like to cancel my membership and asked for a refund.  I had previously emailed them right after I got my membership, asking for help, and never had a response so far. 
And so far no response from last night's email either. 
I will give it another day and then call my credit card company to stop payment.


I did see a great documentary on Netflix (it's also on Amazon Prime from what I gather) called "The Widowmaker" recommended by David (kitchensink) - one of the contributors/producers, he is very nice and forthcoming it seems, with advice. 


Synopsis Four million Americans are dead and they need not be. The Widowmaker uncovers a chilling tale of greed, ego, and conspiracy of silence around that most vulnerable of human organs the heart.


Trailer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPMpiU1NLFE


Highly recommend watching if you can.



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Re: Cureality.com
« Reply #6 on: September 17, 2015, 04:27:11 PM »
Quick update - they sent me a very professional email this morning, letting me know they had deactivated my membership as requested, and money will be refunded.  For me, this was not the place to be, but I'm sure it has lots more info that I wasn't even able to investigate.  For someone with heart disease, very recommended.  The individuals are a bit testy, I guess to be expected when you're not feeling good.  All the many rules of posting on the forum annoyed me very much.  Like you couldn't post twice in a row, because of a "serial poster".  You can "ban" people, when they annoy you too much, but it gets complicated, because others can still see his responses, but you can't.  It says on your profile, how many people you banned and so on and so on too childish and completed for me.


Makes me grateful for this place, somehow it stays very peaceful and congenial here, even with all the many different folks from all walks of life.




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« Reply #7 on: September 18, 2015, 09:06:31 AM »
BarbinNC: ... they sent me a very professional email this morning, ...

Glad to hear the admin is responsive. I've had no need to communicate with them since joining.

re: For someone with heart disease, very recommended.


Perhaps the place to be for that and FH, and worth it for bone health and thyroid, as Dr. Davis is clearly following developments on both, and the users have tried pretty much everything on thyroid. Methylation issues aren't a specific focus of the site, but several users make valuable contributions on that. It seems likely that several CR users might be early adopters of PCSK9 inhibitors, which will be useful to watch, as this class of drug might have value, or may be just a new statin-type horror show.

re: The individuals are a bit testy, I guess to be expected when you're not feeling good.

That might appear to be the case if one does a deep dive in the back traffic. One user was kicked off the site shortly after I joined (and was apparently the reason for disabling serial posting).

Brand new users tend to come across as more frantic than testy. By the time they discover Cureality, consensus medicine has usually done a number on them, and they are often in a very unhappy place. For those coming in from vegetarian approaches to CVD, there's probably a neuro impairment factor too. If vegans seem grumpy, that may not be your imagination.

Just one newer user is borderline trollish but easy to ignore. On the whole, it's a well behaved community, with surprisingly high participation (about 25%, compared to the normal 1 or 10% rule on the internet).

re:  You can "ban" people, when they annoy you too much, but it gets complicated, because others can still see his responses, but you can't.  It says on your profile, how many people you banned and so on and so on too childish and completed for me.

I haven't used anything related to that feature, and I'm speaking as someone who used to maintain a kill file on Usenet news groups back in the day. I may take a look at it, and add some suggestions to the forum wish list document I maintain there. There are any number of ways to implement blocking more optimally. Many forums I use (including WFF that I can tell) have no blocking feature, so that it's suboptimal on CR isn't that big a deal to me.

re: Makes me grateful for this place, somehow it stays very peaceful and congenial here, even with all the many different folks from all walks of life.

It's pretty amazing, really, unless Rita is being a super stealthy web ninja. Most of the blogs and free forums I visit have at least one "house troll" who contributes nothing but annoyance, and misleads new arrivals.

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Re: Cureality.com
« Reply #8 on: September 19, 2015, 07:25:05 AM »
Thanks for replying, Bob.  I agree with all your say.  Just curious, did you ever get a response from the moderator to your suggestions for make the forum easier to navigate?  I can't read replies any more, obviously, but think I saw a post from you, in response to mine, not sure.


I would guess that paying for membership would bring with it increased participation, at least that would be my expectation.  It surprised me to find a "troll" in there midst, and speculation of multiple memberships of that one person, to mislead and cross post etc.  It's unfortunate that I happened upon those threads early on, I might have stayed with it, but have to admit, it distracted me from the start.  I sort of regret not being able to peruse any more, and who knows, later on when I have more time at hand, I might sign up again.  If they will have me, lol!


I don't see Rita as a super stealth web ninja, just a smart, generous, very serious about nutrition and health woman, who - like most of us here - is searching for the truth, to help ourselves defend against the food and pharma industry shills.


I had to laugh, thinking of you maintaining a kill file, lol I've belonged to a few forums, where that would have been useful to have!

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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2015, 08:45:57 AM »
BarbinNC: Just curious, did you ever get a response from the moderator to your suggestions for make the forum easier to navigate?

No, and as I said in my response to you on that, there, I didn't really expect to. It wanted it to be a list they can consult the next time they tweak, or for any major overhaul. I expect that if I PM'd the Member Advocate, I'd get a response. Due to suggestion 4, bullet 2, I didn't see your response until deliberately checking that subforum. I added your suggestions to the list.

re: I would guess that paying for membership would bring with it increased participation, at least that would be my expectation.

The person who I assume is the mod does participate quite a bit in health and diet discussion threads, just not much on admin.

Subscription forums present various potential benefits, only one of which might be increased participation by subject matter experts. Others include:
℗ privacy for discussing personal health issues
Ⱦ moderation where the topic tends to attract trolls, zealots and useful idiots

re: It surprised me to find a "troll" in there midst, and speculation of multiple memberships of that one person, to mislead and cross post etc.

I've only seen one (ex) user who was sort of disruptive, and none I'd class as an actual troll (stirring up trouble just for the sake of doing so).

I haven't examined all the back traffic, but when I got there, a single member felt it necessary to "contribute" to almost every discussion,  even if off-topic or pointlessly argumentative, including on a thread I was participating in, during the course of which said user apparently changed their screen name, apparently in an effort to ignore a warning they'd been given. I PM'd the MA, asking about it, and that user vanished shortly thereafter.

A more recent member arrived with an admitted background in political activism, eager to change the world, by yesterday morning if not sooner. Not really a troll, just over-enthusiastic, and starting to calm down.

Dr. Davis, I might add, has zero tolerance for trolls, knee-jerk skeptics, louts, vandals and spammers on the Blog, and presumably on forums he operates. Attention is being paid to user behavior.

re: It's unfortunate that I happened upon those threads early on, I might have stayed with it, but have to admit, it distracted me from the start.

It's always a sound policy to just lurk for a while when joining a new web community, until you get a sense for the tone, direction, and personalities. In the specific case of the CR forum, enough of it is visible to non-subscribers to get a decent notion of it before enrolling. I'm confident you'd be welcomed back if desired at some future date.

re: I had to laugh, thinking of you maintaining a kill file


On Usenet, the majority of newsgroups were unmoderated and non-subscription. Some of these attracted trolls and cranks, who would even post under multiple usernames to both avoid killfiles and provide sock-puppet responses supporting their own rants. On one I used to participate in, the house crank finally did us a favor by dropping dead (which also mooted an actual libel suit filed against him). Current health forums are, by and large, remarkably calm and deliberative compared to that.

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Re: Cureality.com
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2017, 02:58:06 PM »
As I'm going to reference this thread from time to time, I though it worthwhile to post a short update on Cureality.

I do not actively promote Cureality at present, but it is a suitable resource for people in certain situations.

Since we last discussed it here, two features have been added:
  • Live video chat - users can set up multi-user meets (Zoom platform).
  • Heathcare professional registry (still in work, may cross-list with a similar one associated with the Undoctored U program).
There will be more developments as the Undoctored initiative rolls out, and precisely what that means for Cureality is unclear to me. If history is any guide, what happened with the TYP to Cureality transition was that the new site was a mirror of the old site, plus new content, and existing members became members of both. Once the migration was complete, the TYP pages all ended up redirecting to Cureality.
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Re: Cureality.com
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