What's Up With My Doctor?

[Bob Niland (Boundless)]

The base article for this thread has been updated and migrated to, and is now being maintained on, the Cureality forum at:
What's Up With My Doctor?

I remain a WFF user, and WFF users are welcome to continue commenting on it here, but I only want to maintain it in one place.
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[HS4]

You are so 'on the money', Boundless, it's scary
 
But every point you've brought up is true, unfortunately. 

[Rita]

And since the doctors don't take nutrition courses, they go by what the American Dieticians Association says.  The ADA is funded by junk food companies, and RD's can actually get continuing education credits by attending tradeshow classes which the junk food companies put on.   


Here's an enlightening read:  http://grist.org/food/force-fed-how-corporate-sponsorship-poisons-nations-top-group-of-nutritionists/

[Linda R]

You are so 'on the money', Boundless, it's scary
 
But every point you've brought up is true, unfortunately.

As I read that post, I was thinking the exact same thing.


And thank you to Boundless as this member continues to give us amazing and enlightening additions to our forum.


1. When I experienced my heart discomfort about 18 months ago and ended up in the hospital for the week-end, not one single person asked about my diet. And you can imagine how many nurses and doctors were in and out of my room during that period!

2. Before being discharged, I was told I had to have a quick session with a dietitian. First thing out of his mouth? "We recommend that you begin a vegetarian diet right away." I looked at him in total disbelief and let him know that was not going to happen.

3.I was given statins of course. The cardiologist and I had quite an argument regarding the side effects and the over-all effectiveness of this pill on a woman of my age. It pissed him off, told me I was probably going to drop dead in the parking lot if I didn't follow his instructions. I took the damn pills for about 3 months, then muscle pains and aches began, the pills are sitting on a shelf, and have been since last spring. After all I have read, I'll never swallow another one.

4. I have quit seeing all cardiologists since my episode. I see no point whatsoever in having my blood work done every 3  months as they recommend. I will not sit in a doctor's office and be subjected to another lecture about statins and the dangers of high cholesterol.

[Jan in Key West]

Great post Boundless and as usual, you succinctly managed to articulate the whole medical/health mess in less than one page! Not a bad idea to print and handover to our doctors.....that is, if we had one!  Mine retired to become an acupuncturist over a year ago and it has taken me months of research to find a replacement and he's over two hours away.


Both my grandfathers and great-grandfather were physicians (long time ago) and much of their medical advice related to diet....diabetes, epilepsy, heart issues, etc because the drugs were not yet available to treat even infections, let alone anything much more major than that. Once pharmaceuticals entered the picture, that is most likely when medical schools changed their focus away from diet/nutritional strategies and instead implemented our current drug culture. Very sad!

[Linda R]

 Once pharmaceuticals entered the picture, that is most likely when medical schools changed their focus away from diet/nutritional strategies and instead implemented our current drug culture. Very sad!

Read on Twitter a few days ago.................


"We do not have a health care system in this country, it is a disease management system"

[HS4]

Jan - you're absolutely right about what doctors used to know, before pharmaceuticals swept everything away. It reminds me of the 'lost wisdom' that Sally Fallon and Mary Enig (founders, Weston A Price Foundation) are constantly talking of.  I don't agree with everything WAPF recommends (especially for grains), but with them I lament the loss of so much dietary wisdom over the past 4 or 5 decades.  Everyone used to know many of the basics such as broths were always made from bones, meats and fish should be eaten, when possible, with the aspics, regard packaged foods with suspicion, and on and on.  I guess, once upon a time, physicians also knew the relationship between food and health. We're all rediscovering the wheel 

[Loekie]

The thing is, that the medical world knows that there is a disease called celiac disease. One third is diagnosed, or less. So they know that thousands of people with celiac, are not diagnosed. Why do they not advice to everyone with stomach problems for instance, to try a period of wheat free.
I think it is criminal that they don't.

[LibbyMe]

I began WB in January.  I saw my primary a RNP in early March, who applauded me because she already could "see" results.  She introduced me to the FP she works with, telling him I was doing WB.  His comment was "oh, another fad diet!"  My primary told me my last visit to keep up the good work and instead of seeing me in 3 months, said "I'll see you in 6!"
That all said though.  I'm stuck, I think with my weight.  I've been counting carbs (eating less).  I read on the WBB something about candida.  I wouldn't be surprised that this could be a problem for me but how do I find out?  Then if so, what would I do about it??  Curious!! 
I have to say too, Boundless, Jan and Rita and others---I'm so very impressed with the knowledge you all have in this area. Thank you so much for sharing it with the rest of us!!!!!

[VibeRadiant]

"We do not have a health care system in this country, it is a disease management system"

Exactly!

[VibeRadiant]

If the majority of doctors were in the prevention and curing business, they wouldn't have a revolving door practice of patients coming and going, getting sicker and sicker, needing more and more meds to live.

[Loekie]

If the majority of doctors were in the prevention and curing business, they wouldn't have a revolving door practice of patients coming and going, getting sicker and sicker, needing more and more meds to live.

That, ánd I sometimes hear them say: it is such an awful diet. But that is not their concern! I give more for my health than for six slices of bread a day. I don't agree that it is an awful diet. For me it is a liberation. How awful is it to have a diet with wheat while you are not knowing that there can be a connection between wheat and your often awful condition?
I heard that just one hour is spend on food in the education for medical students. While it is a knowing fact that food is an important factor not only for celiac, but also other diseases like cancer.
How is it possible that it is still one hour? Why medical students do not protest against this?
Another example, iodine. Important for your body. When I told my doctor that I used sealsalt, he said that he thought there is iodine added in seasalt. Which is not true. He wanted to give tablets for my slow thyroid while I am totally cured with more intake of iodine.
Do they know anything about food? I have a sister in law who is a family doctor. I told her about my wheat free live and how it cleared up lots of symptoms. She said: 'oh, but it's often so that after a while you can eat wheat again.' I thought, I hope not because I like this diet.
And she is not right. When I eat something with wheat, some hours later I am running to the toilet.
 

[Lila]

My PCP wouldn't even read the papers I brought him.  No effort on his part required to look anything up.  And the papers were not from obscure journals.

[aspexil]

I went wheat free in Feb 2013.  Just so happened 6 weeks later I had my blood work done.  Triglycerides fell to 139 and HDL hit 40.  Doctor had the data in his hands and yet he couldn't see that wheat free was good.  Then in August Triglycerides down to 113 and HDL up to 45.  Yet he still gave me a print out to eat whole grains.  Good grief they are idiots. 

[Loekie]

I went wheat free in Feb 2013.  Just so happened 6 weeks later I had my blood work done.  Triglycerides fell to 139 and HDL hit 40.  Doctor had the data in his hands and yet he couldn't see that wheat free was good.  Then in August Triglycerides down to 113 and HDL up to 45.  Yet he still gave me a print out to eat whole grains.  Good grief they are idiots.

They are in total denial. They do not want to know and when you tell them, they get angry and you see them thinking: don't bother me with these nonsens, I am busy! Yes, you are busy with all those patients who would not be sick if they should eat wheat free too.

[Janknitz]

WOW!
 
How do you give a standing ovation on the internet???

[Jan in Key West]

A short video clip from a ND who wrote a book about firing your MD......


http://tv.greenmedinfo.com/doctors-3rd-leading-cause-death/

[Linda R]

Wow!


Unbelievable!


My neighbor is just a few years older than me, and has a long list of medical issues ranging from CHD to osteoporosis.
I watch her gingerly using her walker to navigate down the 4-5 steps of her deck in order to reach her car that someone else now drives to take her to yet another medical appointment. I watch her light up another cig as they take off. I watch as she receives another meal from a state of Iowa program, a meal I wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole. We've talked and talked about how minor changes might help, but things remain status quo. I don't even visit in her home due to the second hand smoke that permeates the house.She became extremely ill a few years ago due to all the pills she was taking. She's had a hip replacement that didn't really help. She is also incontinent and had a procedure to "fix" that issue as well. It also didn't help.Her life is a constant merry-go-round of medical office calls. Instead of quitting smoking and changing her diet, she continues the same cycles. She's a "perfect" candidate for the tragedies referred to in this video.

[Jan in Key West]

>She's a "perfect" candidate for the tragedies referred to in this video.


Maybe a new acronym.....MDID (MD induced death) 

[scrupulousgirl]

A short video clip from a ND who wrote a book about firing your MD......


http://tv.greenmedinfo.com/doctors-3rd-leading-cause-death/

Jan, Thank you for posting. I've sent this on to a few people.

[Janknitz]

I watch my sister-in-law, A PEDIATRICIAN, struggle to care for her son, who has been diagnosed with pervasive developmental disorder (PDD)--similar to autism. As my highly intelligent nephew becomes an adolescent he's harder to communicate with, he isolates himself more in his own little world and he cannot handle social situations, his neurological issues become more prominent, his behavioral outbursts are becoming more frightening.  He is developing severe anxiety.

My SIL has been told to try at least getting gluten out of his diet (I would vote for ALL grains and sugars), but "it's too hard". He has always been a difficult and "picky" eater and is one of those kids who will not eat for weeks if he doesn't get his way with food. But I think he's bright enough to
Participate in a trial of grain elimination if the family works together on this, offering him choice and participation in the process. They refuse to even consider it, however. My SIL would have to give up her Nutrasweet diet garbage and her younger child (also a behavior problem) all the sweet bready foods, pasta, candy, etc. both kids get chocolate soy milk at bedtime to "make up" for the food they don't eat (OY!!! ). Giving all this up is too hard ...

So instead she has chosen to give my nephew an ever increasing arsenal of psychotropic drugs. He has horrible side effects like inability to sleep, zombie like behavior, and increasing anxiety.  So the answer is to try yet another drug in the vain hope that the right drug or combo of several drugs will be found. How is this easier than a dietary change???

My SIL the pediatrician believes in drugs, not food, even when evidence of drug failure stands right before her. If she can't help her own son, what of her patients?

[Linda R]

The horror stories never end, do they?

[Jan in Key West]

Jan,
Would your SIL be open to reading 'Grain Brain'? And then there's Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride, who came to the GAPS paradigm via her autistic child. Being physicians, she may be more receptive to their conclusions.

[Greentree]

Bob, where has this post been hiding??? I am bumping it up.....it should have a sticky, and even a BILLBOARD!!


Thanks for linking it on WBB!

[littlbit]

I agree.  Some people just don't want to let you help them and as stated so many times here.  Doctor's seem to be clueless at this point.

That being said and just recently having relocated from FLorida to North Carolina, I am interested in starting with a new doctor that will support my lifestyle.  I know insurance won't cover it, but the first thing I need to know is what is the different between a holistic doctor and a naturopath (don't know if I spelled it right) or are they basically the same?  I would like to investigate some of them down here.