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VibeRadiant

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Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« on: October 24, 2013, 04:40:22 PM »
Anyone else reading (or have read) this book?


I read the first book Good Calorie, Bad Calorie and found it hard to get through. This one not so much, it is good information, but 80% of it is the research and the bad science of the weight issue. So far not so much new stuff. But he really explains how being overweight is really an issue of hormones and not gluttony and sloth (his words, not mine).


It explains the starvation aspect of calorie restricting diets and how they are bound to fail - every time. 


Glad I'm off the diet train heading to nowhere fast.  :)

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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2013, 06:30:04 PM »
Yeah, this is one of the most recommended books on earlier threads. There are a couple previous discussions and quite a few references from older threads.

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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #2 on: November 05, 2013, 05:22:49 PM »
I've finished the book and something Gary writes on page 214 that put my (perceived) struggles in perspective, and I quote
"When you replace the carbohydrates you eat with fat, you're creating a radical shift in the fuel that your cells burn for energy. They go from running primarily  on carbohydrates (glucose) to running on fat - both your body fat and the fat in your diet. This shift, though, can come with side effects. These can include weakness, fatigue, nausea, dehydration, diarrhoea, constipation, postural or orthostatic condition, hypotension - if you stand up too quickly your blood pressure drops and you get dizzy or even pass out, and the exacerbation of pre-existing gout, leading authorities to insist that these side effects were reasons why the diet could not be used safely or at all.
But that was to confuse the short-term effects of what can be thought of as carbohydrate withdrawal. The more technical term for carb withdrawals  is 'keto-adaptation', because the body is adapting to the state of ketosis that results from eating fewer than sixty grams or less of carbs per day. This reaction is why some who try carb-restriction give up quickly."


Gary continues by writing "The reason for the side effects appears to be a consequence of eating too much protein and too little fat".


This is where I find myself at the moment. I find that eating this way leaves me feeling heavy (as in the food is heavy rather than light) and sometimes nauseated by the fat content, I gag on the food. Not all mind you, but most times I can't take another bite of the fatty food (like eggs with butter or coconut oil), and not having the surges of energy that I read about here and elsewhere.


Has anyone else experienced this rather than the positive experience of quick adaptation to eating fatty foods with loads of energy to boot? 

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« Reply #3 on: November 05, 2013, 06:11:53 PM »
Eating a lot of fat definitely takes some adjustment.  I took my transition in somewhat graduated steps which might have mitigated some of the worst of the side-effects, even if it slowed some of the positive ones. 

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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2013, 03:49:41 AM »
Yes, Vibe, I feel the same...especially with eggs. I am also trying to restrict / eliminate dairy.

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« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2013, 04:05:42 AM »
Dairy is what is saving me at the moment. I feel like I'm struggling with this after two months. I must be having some delayed carb withdrawals.

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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2013, 05:19:56 AM »
In attempting to familiarize myself with some of the speakers in the upcoming Gluten Summit, I've been reading Nora Gedauda's, 'Primal Body, Primal Mind'. She indicates that signs of fat deficiency in ones diet can be sugar cravings, irritibility, feeling faint, brain dead, fatigue, caffeine and carb cravings and craving something sweet afteer a meal. Further sstating, "You can't have your cake and your fat too if you want to be optimally healthy. Dietary fat in the presence of sugars and starches behaves very differentlly in th body and brain that dietary fat consumed in the absence of sugars and starches."

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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2013, 05:37:10 AM »
Jan,


My sister was just telling me how she craves sweets.  I will certainly alert her to the issue with fats.  This is timely for me too.  It is still hard to break the habits of the low fats mantra we've been told most of our lives.  While I am adding fats, I realized that when I haven't eaten enough of them, I start craving sweets and starches. 


Primal Body, Primal Mind is yet another good book to read.  Thanks for the reminder!
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2013, 06:15:48 AM »
I'm gagging at the thought of eating even more fat  :o
But I know i have too in order to be successful with this transition.  I'm  not really craving sweets per say, just the physical reaction to having extra fat in my mouth gets overwhelming - if that makes any sense.

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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2013, 06:24:41 AM »
Have you added Bulletproof Coffee yet?  It's an easy way to ratchet-up your fat intake, and a great way to start the day!  I started with 1 tbsp of grass-fed, unsalted butter and 1 tbsp of MCT oil (you can also use coconut oil) and now I'm using 3 tbsp of each for a total of SIX TABLESPOONS OF FAT in my morning coffee!  That takes care of about half of what you need.  The rest I mainly add to my veggies.  Sometimes I cook my eggs in bacon fat.  Since the beginning of summer I've gone from low-fat, grain-based vegetarian to high-fat, grain-free omnivore.  A whole new world! 

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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2013, 06:31:20 AM »
I tend to have BP coffee on weekends only. I started scrambling eggs in butter,  then coconut oil and that is when I started to gag.  I just started eating bacon again and am using bacon fat to scramble my eggs and I  find that tolerable. I use lemon butter to dip my fish in and I  add olive oil to my sun dried olives. Plus all the cheese I  eat. It definitely is a mental, physical and emotional adjustment.

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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2013, 06:48:31 AM »
Vibe,


I don't do well using coconut oil to sauté things, even eggs.  I'm fine with eggs in butter or ghee, but have digestive issues when I use the coconut oil.  I am using it as a skin lotion and find it to be wonderful.  I can use it as an ingredient for baking or even the fat bomb. 


So, listening to my body, I use olive oil or butter for now.  Maybe this will change.  Reading Primal Body, Primal Mind will probably help me to understand more about the reasons our bodies are constantly adjusting.  She just posted a Primal Mind, Primal Body site that is excellent and I will be reading it closely later on.  A quick review showed a discussion of the fat issue.

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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2013, 11:15:57 AM »
Vibe-   Are you drinking enough water?   I've recently learned so much more about water.   You can be chronically dehydrated.    Did you know that food cravings are often really water cravings?  Food is a huge source of water, and the body needs 2 liters per day just to replenish what was lost through the skin, breathing, and peeing, etc.


And if the water you drink has solutes in it all the time, there is a good chance that you are not replenishing water inside the cell. 




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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2013, 11:21:10 AM »
I drink water according to my thirst. But I can certainly drink more to see if it makes a difference.

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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2013, 11:33:11 AM »
I'm not sure if this link has been posted, but it is an interesting guide to how much fat you need to consume daily based on your personal info. Easy to use. I was shocked at the amount of fat required. I also have had many of the symptoms described here. Foggy, depressed, sweet tooth, low energy, etc. Have been upping the fat, but I still don't think I'm getting enough. I don't mind a spoonful of CO a few times a day.

http://keto-calculator.ankerl.com/
 
 

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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2013, 11:44:28 AM »
Thanks for the link. I'll have to do it at home later, it's not smartphone freindley.

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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2013, 01:01:47 PM »
Rita,


2 liters = 8.5 cups or 68 ounces of liquid daily.  Did you discuss what a well hydrated person needs beyond the 8.5  cups to replenish what is used on a daily basis?  Does that change with age? 


I thought that 48 0z. daily was sufficient, but I don't recall the source of this number.  Dr. Davis doesn't mention a specific minimal amount either as far as I can recall.  I've lent out my copy of WB so i can't check it for this. 

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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2013, 01:40:14 PM »
Re: water, one of the things we learned when my mother went and had her plethora of testing done at the integrative specialist's office is that she is chronically dehydrated because her cells are deteriorated to the point where they can't hold water anymore.  I think her total body water was, like, below 20% and she drinks water all.the.time.  If you have an absorption problem then it won't matter how much water you are drinking until you start healing on the cellular level. 

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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2013, 02:05:25 PM »
Yes, Vibe, I get the same reaction to certain oily foods.  I can eat a chunk of fat on a steak but not a slimy egg, for instance. Texture and consistency are very personal taste issues.  You've been doing really well and moving along at a nice pace, give yourself a break to acclamate to the extra fat.
 
 
 
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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2013, 02:16:11 PM »
Yes, Vibe, I get the same reaction to certain oily foods.  I can eat a chunk of fat on a steak but not a slimy egg, for instance. Texture and consistency are very personal taste issues.  You've been doing really well and moving along at a nice pace, give yourself a break to acclamate to the extra fat.
 
 



I'm one of those anal types of all or nothing! lol. This WOE will be good for that flaw of mine  :o

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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2013, 02:38:24 PM »
I'm sure you'll make it, just don't think you're alone :)

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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2013, 04:20:38 PM »
Barbara-  Here's a few interesting tidbits on water from my class and book that I had to read:

We lose 2 to 2.5 liters of water every day, and most people aren't doing a good job at replenishing.   1.2 liters is generally replaced by drinks, 1.0 liters by food, and .3 via metabolic fluid. 

Our body is made up of almost 70% water.   We have 3 main water environments in the body; the cytosol (50% of our water weight), the extracellular fluid and lymph (15% of water weight), and blood (5% water weight).

Having enough water volume in the body ensures that the necessary nutrients and oxygen can travel to the cells and that wastes and toxins can exit the cells.

The atoms in a water molecule (1oxygen and 2 hydrogen) are both products and reactants in certain chemical reactions.  ‘Dehydration synthesis’ occurs when atoms are joined, and ‘hydrolysis’ occurs when atoms are split apart.  Dehydration synthesis is needed for the production of neurotransmitters and hormones.   Hydrolysis is used to break down large molecules to simpler ones.

Water is a solvent for foods, vitamins and minerals. It is polar and carries electrically charged particles (ions) to our cells, which are essential for proper functioning of the nervous system and muscle movements.

Water acts as a lubricant, provides structural support for cells and helps to maintain the body’s temperature.

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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #22 on: November 07, 2013, 04:22:18 AM »
I once saw a small book in my chiropractors office, "The Dehydration of America" where the author blamed most of our ills on our lack of water consumption. Dr. Perllmutter's formula for personal water consumption is: halve your weight and drink that number of ounces per day.....adding an extra 12 - 16 oz. for every caffienated or alchoholic beverage consumed. And the color of eliminations should be light yellow, which is indicative of adaquate hydration.


And then there's the issue of the quality of water we drink.....which opens anotherr can of worms!

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Re: Book: Why We Get Fat by Gary Taubes
« Reply #23 on: November 07, 2013, 05:24:36 AM »
Jan,


Good formula!  I had forgotten this, especially adding the extra water for caffeinated or alcoholic drinks.  I drink well water so there isn't any chlorine or fluoride issue.  It is easy to get out of the habit of drinking all that water! 


I like making a pitcher of herbal tea and drinking that all day.  I leave it on the counter so that I don't chill my stomach.  Any left overs get placed in the fridge overnight or I water my plants with it. 




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