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LibbyMe

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New "wrinkle" in the mix...high BP
« on: November 09, 2013, 09:17:11 AM »
Well on Thursday I had an app't with my RNP, who I see as my primary, to go over my medications as our Part D supplemental for Medicare will be changing. 
The last 3X I've seen her my BP was high (150-ish over 90)  I'm on lisinopril 2X/daily, after my previous visit.  She'd recommended I check my BP at home, which I did and it was normal with a range of 134/80.  It gets checked when I see my rheumatologist--just saw her 3 weeks ago and it was in that normal range as well.  Anyway, my RNP is having me come in in two weeks, bringing my own meter and we'll compare this.
I've been doing WB since Jan., I exercise 5 to 6X/week and I'm down THREE clothing sizes now.  My glucose A1c was in high/normal my last test in the summer (I check again in Feb), my cholesterol #'s according to Dr. Davis on his blog (where I posted) said they were acceptable.  My BP had always been quite normal---my age is 69---so I was pretty happy, that is until now.  Can anyone tell me their thoughts on this.  I'm doing the apple cider vinegar, I'm taking turmeric/garlic/cayenne capsuls 2X daily, plus magnesium .  I might add though that I get to decrease my Metformin from twice a day to once---which I'm happy about.  Part of my goal with going on WB was to possibly get off some of my medications.  I know I won't be able to for the rheumatoid arthritis.  I did ask her if any of these could be causing this...she couldn't answer.  Just feeling a bit frustrated!!!  I've added more coconut oil with the fat bombs to my daily consumption.  I think I'm doing everything that Dr. Davis tells us to.  Thoughts!!!!!????
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Re: New "wrinkle" in the mix...high BP
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2013, 10:10:22 AM »
As a fellow BP sufferer and ex-medical person, I can empathize.  What you need to do is log your BP daily.  Do this even though the monitor may be in question at this moment.  When  your RNP checks your monitor against theirs, if it's accurate, you will already have pressures for them to ponder.  If your monitor's not accurate, you only wasted a little time.  Your pressures are not horrible for your age.  They may want to give you medication to keep your arteries supple and unstrained, if you are always 150/90.  If you find you are normal at home, while calm, it may just be the frustration of dealing with the medical proffession elevating your BP and it doesn't need treatment.  I hate to admit I was treated for years for high BP that I really didn't have yet.  The only way to know for certain is to do the log work on your own.  Even if you do need BP meds, it will help in determining the correct dose.  Doing this prep work will help them build some respect for you as a responsible patient who is willing to actually do some work on their health.

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« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2013, 11:01:06 AM »
Thank you Linda (FL)....!  I appreciate this response so I'll "get on that" with my monitor!  Why would I still have HPB if I'm on lisinopril 5mg/tabs?  I was on one pill per day to "protect" my heart (due to type 2 diabetes) for the past couple/three years.  Then the app't I had this summer she increased it to 2 pills a day!
So we'll see what happens in these next couple of weeks!

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« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2013, 11:26:02 AM »
The protocol for diagnosing high BP is to have a high BP three visits in a row.  Without reading your chart, I can only guess that she got several higher readings and with diabetes you are at extra risk for cardiovascular troubles.  Ergo, you are on meds.  Now that you had several more, your meds were increased.  Mind you, these are my guesses.  This is exactly why you need to do the paper work on your own because at this point the situation may be causing you to spike when under stress.  The only way to get her to listen is to present her with a long list of numbers, times, dates, etc.  Think of it as a powerpoint for the dr.!!  It's very hard to change their minds, since they face lawsuits and do actually care about your health, so you need a lot of data.  Maybe doing this will at least help to keep meds to a necessary minumum for you.  It might take several visits to establish your credability.  At least, at the end of a period of time, you can be assured you are only getting what you need and not excess.  BP is a difficult beast and you may have to try several medications to find the right ones.  This assumes you need them.  You will also probably find that after a few years, or so, you will need to change to a different type of med. to get the same results.  Why I'm not sure, but it is almost axiomatic!  Like your diabetes, your BP med will be an ongoing series of readjustments.  I'm hoping you don't really need it yet but if you do, I'd like to see you only take what you need. 

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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2013, 12:23:19 PM »
Lynda....good post on BP and glad to know we have medical personell in our midst. I have a question regarding BP numbers....knowing what we know about pharmicutical companies lowering the bar for cholesterol levels in order to sell more statins, has that been the case for BP numbers as well? Has it been your experience that they've remained the same or steady  for the pst several decades? Thx in advance....

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« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2013, 02:35:55 PM »
Linda in FL....I began the protocol you recommended this afternoon.  My BP is "up" on my home monitor (this after sitting all afternoon too).  Wrote it down plus the time.  I forgot to mention in my 1st post that a friend also took my BP around the time of my 1st encounter with this from my RNP---it was normal on her monitor that day. Then I came home and checked on mine, which showed normal as well. 
I drink coffee in the a.m.'s so just today began with decaf.  I also have snacked (as per Dr. Davis) on nuts and olives.  Just had a light-bulb moment re: these-----"salt"!  So will experiement and only have these once in a while rather than every day!  Guess I'll have to stock up in fresh veggies!!!

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« Reply #6 on: November 10, 2013, 10:53:00 AM »
LibbyMe, I don't think you have ever mentioned it but certain OTC sinus meds can raise blood pressure, especially those with a "PE" in the name. There is also a case to be made for "White Coat HBP", essentially anxiety caused by seeing a medical person whom we know will disagree with everything we know. Best to track your own BP & write it down so you can show the practitioner.

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« Reply #7 on: November 10, 2013, 11:38:19 AM »
Good for you, Libby, you've started the only process that can let you know exactly where you stand BP wise.  Experimening (safely) to see what might raise your BP is a great idea.  Each thing you change needs awhile to show up, it takes the body time to reset itself.  Caffeine jacks up the metabolism and salt can cause fluid retention.  Like Mosey says, medication can effect your BP.  Everyone responds differently (don't you hate hearing that all the time?).  The down side is that even a necessary medication can raise your BP.  Expect your pressures to bounce all over like a happy cricket on a hot rock.  Everything can effect your pressure, it is one of the most responsive systems in the body and can react instantly.  Usually it resets itself in a short time and this is normal behavior.  It's only worrisome if the high pressure is sustained over time.  And I mean a long time, it will stay high while you are stressed.  Hopefully your pressure will have a normal range that it always returns to.  Best of luck.

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« Reply #8 on: November 10, 2013, 12:03:26 PM »
Jan, it 'seems' like there are more people around who have high BP.  It depends on which authority you check with but some say that the percentages on adults have been flat for ten years.  Of course, that's about when all the fuss about obesity and diabetes really ramped up and they began to treat more routinely.  It is a fact that more people are treated successfully now.  Some authorities say that the insidence of HBP in children has doubled, right along with obesity and diabetes.  I can tell you that forty years ago they didn't test as part of a routine for children considered healthy, only those with a serious disease.  That said, yes they did lower the bar, about ten points for optimum.  120/80 was normal and now they'd like to see 110/70 but seem to treat at the same level as they always did.  Now they 'watch' a lot sooner.  According to the new standards I have been prehypertensive ALL my life!! The numbers remained the same to protect the innocent.  Big pharma has benefited by developing a million different drugs due to blood pressure meds needing to be changed periodically because they stop being effective.  And because BP drugs are not the benign chemicals we are lead to believe.  This is about as much fiddling around as they can do because BP must stay within a narrow range or serious side effects can occur, like coma or stroke...  I'm sure if they could, they would.  I have to admit the effectiveness, if not the safety, of the drugs has tremendously improved.

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« Reply #9 on: November 10, 2013, 03:14:55 PM »
Although I'd love to get off my BP meds (losartan and hydrochlorothyazide), my family history is one with hypertension so I may be stuck with that one.  My BP is well-controlled on these meds, and don't have too much hope I will get off all of them. I am trying harder to cut down in a significant way on salt, which is hard to do when traveling because you can't control the saltiness of restaurant food.  Sometimes the best you can do is just not to add any salt. 


Good luck! I may try logging mine too.  I do check it 2-3 times per week, generally.


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« Reply #10 on: November 10, 2013, 09:01:50 PM »
I began the logging...my pressure last evening was much like it was in the doctor's office.  Then I did it this morning and it was normal (133/78)  I might do it before I go to bed tonight.  I know one needs to keep their feel flat on the ground and to remember to breathe.  I had a thought---that I might have tightened the cuff too tight when I put it on.  Then while reading this thread---I "do" take allergy medications.  I take one RX and one OTC.  I'll eliminate the latter and we'll see what happens. 

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« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2013, 07:26:21 AM »
My doctor said that Claritin (not only the Claritin-D) can raise your blood pressure.  I have a  prescription for Allegra, which I don't take unless I absolutely have to.  I also have Flonase which I will use before I use Allegra.

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« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2013, 08:00:14 AM »
Lila and Libby,


I have been using Zicam Homeopathic No Drip Nasal Gel and Safecare NonDrowsy Homeopathic AllergyCare Oral Spray.  I find that they don't raise my bp and I don't feel woosy with these.  I used to use Claritin and similar ones with only marginal relief after the first dose.
Now, after 11 months of WB, the sinus headaches have diminished greatly.  The front of my face doesn't ache much anymore, the upper sinus (upper forehead hairline) is still troublesome, but a great deal less than before.  I used to use nasal strips at night to keep the passages open.  Don't need them anymore. Spraying with OTC saline solution keeps the sinuses moist even with heat and air-conditioning.


My overall feeling is that the homeopathic items and saline sprays are much gentler on that tissue and combined with removing the allergens (grains/sugar) they are able to heal even if it is slow.  Has anyone else had this experience?






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« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2013, 08:16:27 AM »
Sinus infections are the devil to cure, very resistant.  I know several people that get relief from the homeopathic treatments,too, Barbara.  Good suggestions. 
Lila and Libby, it sounds like you two are working harder than most to keep your BP under control.  Allergy meds can raise your pressure but it's only critical if you are in a borderline area and it tips you over into dangerous.  If you only take it a few times a year, and your pressures are usually good, you should be okay unless your dr. has other concerns for you.  Be sure to tell them and ask.  If you have to take meds, at least you'll know you keep them to the truly needed dose.  I got off mine for awhile but may have to start again.  Rats!  Wheat free really helped a lot but doesn't cure everything.  I'm grateful for my successes.
 
 
 

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« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2013, 09:10:38 AM »
I'm on Singular (generic though)!  Once a day.....
As for sinus infections...been there/done that!!  Used to have what I'd call chronic ones that occurred on a rotational basis.  I went to specialists etc. and no one could seem to help me OR tell me what exactly was the culprit.  Was given the dxt of chronic rhinitis or some such thing.  A "cover" I'm sure for what they didn't know to be the cause.  NOW...am wondering if it wasn't the gluten!  I'm wondering, since I haven't had a sinus infection in months if I should experiment and go off the Singular to see it it's really needed.

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« Reply #15 on: November 11, 2013, 09:22:07 AM »
I had two surgeries in the past for chronic sinus infections.
Usually had a infection once or twice each year. I also used Flonase nasal
spray daily. Since starting WF, rare to have symptoms and no more Flonase!!

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« Reply #16 on: November 12, 2013, 12:52:59 PM »
Here is a recipe for home made Saline Nasal Spray

Boil one quart of distilled or filtered water
Add one teaspoon of baking soda
Add one - three tablespoons of table salt (I find that 2 works for us, adjust to your needs)
Continue boiling till baking soda & salt are dissolved.

Let cool and use 3-4 times per day with bulb syringe

This works very well for us unless it's allergy season, which is getting longer each year. Then we turn to Xlear nasal spray, available on amazon. Apparently it has xylitol, the sugar kills nasal bacteria that cause sinus infections. DH, who suffers terribly from sinus infections all year round, has not had one since August. Dh has also had many surgeries for polyps in his nose & finds that sometimes he gets hard stuff stuck in his nose, Sorry if this is gross, NeliMed Naso Gel helps softens the stuff so he can get rid of it. I usually buy this at the drug store.

Benadryl is also an inexpensive antihistamine that will not raise BP but may make you sleepy. And last but not least there is Breathe Rite Nasal Strips, these also help with snoring... of course none of us do that.

I hope this helps all my runny nose friends!

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« Reply #17 on: November 13, 2013, 11:25:30 AM »
Are you drinking enough water?   We lose 2 to 2.5 liters per day on water.   Some of that is replaced by water in food, but if you don't get enough water in, you are dehydrated, which causes blood to thicken and causes high blood pressure.   ( It can also cause low blood pressure in some people too ).


We got to make sure we keep up the water volume in our body.   Make sure you have electrolytes in you as well, since salt and potassium are important for water balance.   1 gram of salt will hold 11 grams of water.   I think when eating whole foods, it's sometimes easy to forget about salt.

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