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General Discussion / Re: Should you be on a ketogenic diet long term?
« on: September 30, 2018, 07:17:19 AM »
For those who prefer to read, there's a full transcript at the WB blog posting of that video.
The way I convey the message is: do chronic keto only if it's the most benign treatment for a chronic condition (but mind the gut flora in any case).
Chronic keto does not appear to be an ancestral diet.
KD is a tool in the Undoctored/WB box for short term use for various reasons. It's clearly a human adaptation for most genotypes, although most likely experienced in the wild as periods of involuntary fasting than as periods of fat-as-only-food.
Chronic keto is a current food fad. In addition to the microbiome concerns, I have to wonder if people doing it are fully informed on key micronutrients to mind (D3, I, Mg), or even optimal fat choices.
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General Discussion / Re: Sleep problems lately...
« on: September 29, 2018, 10:26:43 AM »
hismaimai2000: so, we started this WOE on Monday.

Which WOE, and if Undoctored or Wheat Belly, based on what reference information?

re: Takes me a long time to fall asleep and then I wake up far more often than usual for me. Is that a common reaction? I don't mind being more alert during the day, but nights are for sleeping!

Here are some sleep tips.

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General Discussion / Re: Ketosis with potatoes
« on: April 28, 2018, 10:39:41 AM »
Rita: The rice was cooked, frozen and reheated.  (So they both had plenty of time to turn to resistant starch.)

My guess is that only 15% of the starch re-polymerizes. So, for 4 oz. of potato (113g), that suggests 20g net carb - which would be the whole day's allowance for generic KD.

re: After 5 days of doing this, my ketone test strips say I'm in ketosis.

Interesting. Did you happen to check any postprandial BGs, at 30-60 minutes after start of meal?
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Introduce Yourself to the Wheat Free Forum / Re: Hi all
« on: February 28, 2018, 05:17:28 PM »
Welcome to WFF, mouseluxi

re: I'm currently reading the Wheat Belly book.

Be aware that the program has advanced quite a bit since that 2011 book. It would be a lot of clicks, but you could trace developments on the Wheat Belly Blog (which goes back to 2011) or the Undoctored Blog (which started in 2017).

The current program is found in Undoctored (2017). Perhaps the biggest strategy that came in, entirely overlooked in the original book, is cultivation of gut flora, which I recently summarized in a public post on the Undoctored Inner Circle forum: Gut Flora Resource Overview

re: First question - can I eat rice? :)

TL;DR; not really

But that question, which was very frequent in the early days, reveals another weakness in the original book: the lack of emphasis on the suggested net carb budget, 50g/day, 15g per meal of 6-hour period.

Rice is pretty high in net carbs, with some forms (like sushi rice) being little better than sugar metabolically. That would normally just mean sticking to small portion sizes, but...

Rice is also at extreme risk for surprisingly high concentrations of Arsenic. This varies from farm to farm, and Organic doesn't protect you on it, because it can be due to regional As, or pesticides used decades ago (so the farm still qualifies as Organic). The US has no standards for this yet. Canada might. Absent national standards, look for grower claims.

Even if the net carbs and As issues are in hand, all rice contains WGA (wheat germ agglutinin), an adverse lectin that is a direct gut wall antagonist (which circles around to the gut health issue again).

This is part of why you'll see a shift after 2011 from gluten-bearing-grain-free to just plain grain-free.
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General Discussion / Re: Food boxes instead of food stamps
« on: February 15, 2018, 09:56:45 AM »
Barbara from New Jersey: A simpler and less expensive idea would be to have acceptable food item bar codes programmed into the cards or to food stores.  Basic staple food items like dairy, eggs, meat, vegetables, beans are paid for by the card.

My impression is that the present system already works like that. A family member, however, reports seeing the cards used for purchase of approved foods in peculiar amounts, followed by mysterious transactions out in the parking lot. And the card holders in these apparent abuse scenarios always seem to have high-end smart-phones, fancy cars, and smoke.

On the other issues you raise, yup. This whole initiative is just another futile effort to correct the unintended consequences of earlier unintended consequences, all of which can be traced back to defective basic government policy (on both nutrition and personal responsibility). Failed regulation is merely aggravated by even more regulation.

Unless DGA is fixed, Food Stamp tweaks are doomed. And politically, DGA cannot be fixed. It needs to be recanted and abandoned, with prejudice.
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General Discussion / Re: Food boxes instead of food stamps
« on: February 14, 2018, 04:39:26 PM »
Rita: Wonder what kind of government-picked items would be in this box!

Why would you expect it to be anything other than by-the-book dogmatic MyPlateOfMetabolicSyndrome? Grain-heavy, high-carb, low-fat, low-salt, linoleic acid heavy, and sure all the other ills of industrial food-like substances: GMOs, preservatives, emulsifiers, colorants, artificial sweeteners.

If this initiative moves forward, it needs to become an opportunity to debate whether USDA-FNS should instead be told "you're fired". Somehow I doubt that will develop.

As a practical matter, forced feeding would screw the small minority who spend their food stamps wisely.

For the majority of the currently entitled, it would probably make little difference metabolically.

For a significant minority of current recipients, it would make it harder to game the system, and turn the food into cash and/or off-program items (often tobacco, booze, etc.) It is these latter who are likely motivating the proposal.
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Introduce Yourself to the Wheat Free Forum / Re: New to all this
« on: January 06, 2018, 04:58:05 PM »
Scott: ... and she suggested I read Wheat Belly by Dr Davis

If that's the original 2011 book, be aware that the program has added considerably to it since then, with the current advice being found in Undoctored (2017). None of the original book has been contradicted by the later program developments, but some of them are of some import (gut flora primarily, a topic still being developed).

re: My GP had me on the "Healthy Whole Grains", low fat, etc kind of regime and a ton of exercise that was accomplishing very little.

On the contrary, it keeps such GPs fully employed, a subtle bias that may help motivate them to not question the gaping holes in their training.

re: The trouble I'm having online is that, for the most part, with online resources "wheat-free" is just a synonym for "gluten-free" and not truly wheat free in the Wheat Belly sense of the term.

Gluten-free tends to be wantonly high carb, as you've discovered, and both "low carb" and "paleo" tend to be oblivious to the non-carb hazards of grains.
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General Discussion / Re: Canola oil linked to dementia, study says
« on: December 13, 2017, 05:28:11 PM »
Open-access full-text:
Nature: Effect of canola oil consumption on memory, synapse and neuropathology in the triple transgenic mouse model of Alzheimer’s disease

Don't make too much of this just yet. "Standard" lab mouse chows (used as a "control" here) are junk, loaded with lots of Omega 6 linoleic acid on their own. I haven't so far been able to learn what exact chow they used. Lots of comments on design issues on the Nature pages (click the Comments link at right, which at the moment is throwing an error).
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General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: December 01, 2017, 06:13:40 PM »

That's why I said "seems" and "apparent". There are more books out there than I have time to read (Salt Fix is still on my shelf awaiting some attention). I use what I can see in LookInside to prioritize the candidates.

I agree that when key topics are pervasive, the author doesn't Index every instance, but they do need to tag the key ones (such as where terms are defined), and if whole chapters are about them, they get into the ToC as well (having done this work many times).

Based on your remarks, it appears that Menace suffered at the hands hands of a co-author, editor, compositor or publisher that lacked awareness of the topic.

Since you have read it, do you think that would add or subtract anything from the post-2013 Wheat Belly or Undoctored programs?
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bill: If he was not following the AHA guidelines, he's a hypocrite.
Either way, he's got a big problem.

Yep, the American MI Association has got a lot of explainin' to do, and since Nov 13, on their press releases pages:

I've seen one unsourced comment that they are blaming "genetics", but that's actually no excuse. Dr. Davis put himself out of business as an interventional cardiologist because all of his patients stopped having "events" (all; not just the ones without FH).

In Dr. Davis' programs, factors like adverse ApoE and elevated Lp(a) just mean that you need to be more strict about following a diet that is low in small LDL particles, low in inflammatory antagonists, and high in beneficial micronutrients like EPA, DHA, Vitamin D and Mg (and that would be pretty close to the opposite of the AHA diet) ... and should we mention optimized thyroid - which the AHA has probably never heard of, and would not know how to test, diagnose and treat if they did. Gut flora? Who?

Do not expect the AHA to correctly react to this in less than 20 years. Just grant them the same credibility that you give to the USDA, ADA (any of them), and Big Carb™ generally.
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General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: December 01, 2017, 03:22:03 PM »
bill: Have you read Fiber Menace by Konstatin Monastyrsky?

Nope, and based what of it I can see in Amazon's LookInside feature, I don't plan to.

These terms do not appear in the Index: gut flora, microbiome, resistant starch, prebiotic, probiotic, insoluble, soluble. There are 3 main classes of dietary fiber (digestible, soluble and insoluble), each with its own distinct benefits/hazards, and he seems to have had no awareness of that. So there's less apparent insight here than I would expect, even for a 2005 book.
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Wheat Free Recipes / Re: What are some of your favorite appetizers
« on: November 18, 2017, 08:25:10 PM »

The problem, of course, is that the whole notion of appetizers may be irrelevant in enlightened ancestral diets. These items are complete foods in themselves, and can easily shut down appetite.
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General Discussion / Re: Hope everyone is well
« on: November 14, 2017, 09:06:00 AM »
Missy4321: ... fell off the wagon, ...

Being on the wagon is particularly important for dementia.

re: ... as my DH now has dementia ...

Sorry to hear that. Have you checked in with Bredesen's new book?
My review of it here.
Dr. Davis is working on an Undoctored program protocol for cognitive decline (not published yet). Slowing, arresting and reversing it appear to be within reach now.

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General Discussion / Re: Metformin and aging
« on: July 21, 2017, 09:31:41 AM »
The results are unsurprising for people on standard diets.

The question is, and we've been chatting about it on the UIC Forum, what is the marginal benefit for someone doing an enlightened ancestral LCHF diet with attention to gut flora?

If Peter Attia can get his book out the door, we might get some further insight on the prophylactic use of metformin (and on rapamycin as well).
Bob Niland [disclosures] [topics]

General Discussion / Re: Wheat free and hypoglycemia
« on: July 17, 2017, 06:08:33 PM »
DarrylE: ... but all I have run across so far is discussion on pre-diabetic or diabetic conditions, (high blood sugar), not hypo, (low blood sugar).

So this is a hypo condition in the absence of metabolic syndrome, pre-diabetes or frank diabetes?

I'll ask again, what is the root problem, or is that not diagnosed?

Given any thought to ketogenic diet? (which would switch you from glucose as primary fuel to ketone bodies as primary fuel)

Dom D'agostino has a lab assistant with T1D, and on a full-time KD. One mention of the case I heard was that hypo for this guy was essentially irrelevant.
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General Discussion / Re: Wheat free and hypoglycemia
« on: July 16, 2017, 08:37:06 PM »
DarrylE: My reading has not yet revealed the pros and or cons of a hypoglycemic individual going wheat-free.

What is at the root of the hypo?

The metsyn/GD/T2D cases may have different considerations vs. the LADA/T1D cases.

Here's another Dr. Davis article on it: ZERO TOLERANCE for hypoglycemia
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General Discussion / Re: Gained Weight Back....HELP!
« on: July 07, 2017, 11:48:11 AM »
Well, as I linked in another reply today, there are any number of candidate explanations for weight loss stall and/or weight re-gain.

Perhaps the #1 thing to do for dealing with that is to own a blood glucose meter. Run at least one Fasting BG (FBG) to see what your pre-meal state is, then run some Postprandial (PPBG) readings, 30 to 60 minutes after start of meal, to see the effect of what you are eating. Once PPBG is ruled out, then the rest of the list comes into play.

Cantaloupe is only about 8% net carb by weight, so you'd have to be eating quite a bit of it for that to be the leading suspect, but the glucometer would clear that question up pretty quickly.
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HollyDuff: I haven't started to go grain free yet...

Then you have lots of candidate explanations for undesired weight.

re: I thought I had posed my question was quite simply; did anyone think taking the tinctures in glycerine would be responsible for the rapid increase in weight...

My simple guess: no
See longer answer earlier for why.
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It appears that glycerine becomes glucose only via gluconeogenesis, which is a pretty slow process.

As long as your Fasting BG, Postprandial BG, Triglyceride (TG) and HbA1c levels are within the desired range, I wouldn't worry about glycerine. And if any are elevated, there's a long list of more probable suspects, and for someone just starting on a lower-carb diet, they are going to be elevated, if not frankly high.

Targets for these markers might be:
FBG: 70-90 mg/dL (with some cautions below 70)
PPBG: no change, but peaking at 100 or less in any case
TG: 30-60 mg/dL
HbA1c: 4.0-5.0%
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Introduce Yourself to the Wheat Free Forum / Re: Hello
« on: July 01, 2017, 01:46:05 PM »
ssvs04: But for the 3 weeks I have been stuck at the same weight not moving towards my goal of 205. I was going to ask for suggestions but as I said that article above really answered all my questions on how to achieve my final results I want and not get frustrated.

See also (UIC public): Weight Loss Stall?
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Rita: If people are constantly using stevia in their beverages, how is that effecting gut flora?

An eye is being kept on this. Recall that the 2011 Wheat Belly endorsed sucralose. It was dropped just as the gut flora topic arose. Dr. Davis is probably aware of the paper cited here, as it was linked to the Cureality forum when published, and referenced again in a discussions with a member diagnosed with Lyme.

re: This is where I want to learn more about left-spin vs right spin molecules.

How ambi-dextrorotary of you.

It may be that it only kills pathogenic microbes (stroke of luck, that, if true); or that it doesn't kill any in Vivo (so then likely of little use in Lyme).
Bob Niland [disclosures] [topics]

Paper here, and note that it's from 2015, so not that recent:
Effectiveness of Stevia Rebaudiana Whole Leaf Extract Against the Various Morphological Forms of Borrelia Burgdorferi in Vitro.

Also, it's in Vitro (petri dish) and not in Vivo (animals, much less humans).

Which to me raises two questions:
  • Does it have any effect in actual human infections?
  • Does it have any adverse effect on other gut flora?
We'd like the answers to be Yes and No, but I won't be surprised if it's No and No.
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General Discussion / Re: Amazon buying Whole Foods?
« on: June 16, 2017, 03:18:33 PM »
It will be interesting to see how this plays out. If true, it was probably salvation for Whole Paycheck, sort of.

Our priority list for sources of thing not found in general marts is:
1. Vitacost
2. Regional trendymarts ('round here: Sprouts, HyVee, Dillons, in that order)
3. Natural Grocer
4. Whole Paycheck
We work down to #4 like once per year, $20 max.

My guess is that, as HuffPo suggests, AMZN is going to use the WF sites as fulfillment for fresh foods ordered on This might marginalize the retail shopping at those sites. They won't be able to have a 2-tier pricing system, and the web order prices have to compete with the other local brick&mortars, which is today something that WF seems unable to do.

The nutrition agenda just changed at WF as well. May cease to be vegetarian (with some condescending sales to everyone else).

On another downside, WF probably carries brands not sold on AMZN, and deliberately so per brand intention. Will the entire WF shelf-stable product line automatically be on AMZN now?

Stay tuned for turmoil.

If Amazon bought Barnes and Noble, would anyone notice?

General Discussion / Re: Thyroid Tests
« on: June 14, 2017, 11:07:27 AM »
deanna in AR: ...before rising in the morning?

First thing on arising. I don't recall off-hand if checking whilst still in bed is advised.
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General Discussion / Re: Thyroid Tests
« on: June 11, 2017, 01:37:47 PM »
deanna in AR: I've read that to check our thyroid we should take our temp first thing upon waking in the morning, even before getting out of bed, with an underarm thermometer? ???

Dr. Davis recommends oral temp, and his 97.3° max target is based on oral.
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General Discussion / Re: Thyroid Tests
« on: June 07, 2017, 08:42:17 PM »
littlbit: I went out to the ZRT Web site to order the home test kit for Thyroid but don't know which one will cover all the things to look for.

If I wanted a reasonably comprehensive thyroid panel (which I will this year), and couldn't get the doctor to order it (or for less than US$174.00 if out-out-policy), I'd probably go with the ZRT:
Essential Thyroid Profile (appears to be code CTPB, UPC 656727138269)

It's a few dollars cheaper on Amazon.

With any luck, you don't live in NY.

Dr. Davis put up a blog video on DIY Thyroid a few weeks ago.
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Success Stories / Re: Fresh ground wheat berries
« on: June 01, 2017, 09:50:31 AM »
arydberg: I may get a lot of flack for this...

Nah, but this is, after all, a wheat-free site. You make your comestible choices; metabolic mayhem follows, or not.

Here's my Wheat Rap Sheet. Sourdough preparation helps with maybe one or two of the charges.

In my view, even organic heirloom einkorn is a major hazard, as confirmed by our 5300 year-old pal Ötzi: horrible teeth, gum disease, calcified arteries, worn joints (not all necessarily due to the einkorn, of course, but I suspect most of us were expecting an early neolithic forager mummy to be free of what we heretofore had considered modern chronic/degenerative ailments).
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General Discussion / Re: Bullet proof coffee or Rocket Fuel Coffee
« on: May 26, 2017, 08:04:29 PM »
littlbit: ...unsweetened almond milk,...

How much and what product? All of the commercial A-milks I've seen have troubling ingredients.

re: ...80 percent coco?

Cocoa or cacao, how much, and what's the other 20% ?
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General Discussion / Re: How long
« on: April 13, 2017, 08:43:29 AM »
jaandlynn: I'm on day 6 of starting this…

What is "this"? If the Wheat Belly program, what books or other reference information are you relying on, and what are you doing to follow it?
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General Discussion / Re: Dr. John Doulliard's new book
« on: March 26, 2017, 08:18:55 PM »
Rita: Here's the discussion that Dr. Doulliard mentioned in his Plant Summit talk that he had with Dr. Perlmutter.

Perlmutter was polite about it, but he basically demolished Doulliard, who clearly had not thought through the implications what steps are need to heal the gut, and the consequences of re-introducing wheat. As I remarked in a Cureality Forum discussion in January

I watched the whole thing when Dr.P first posted it. Took notes. I figure somebody's gonna bring it up on the WB blog sooner or later. I'm in no hurry to buy a copy. Amazon has generous Look-Inside for anyone who wants to review the ToC and Index.

As one of the commentators on Perlmutter's blog pointed out, the book basically has a misleading (click bait) title. It should have been something like "It's Not Just The Wheat", but then it would sell fewer copies to people reluctant to confront their Krispy Kreme addictions.

Perlmutter laid some praise on the book, but the interview spent zero time on whatever value it might have (there may be some gold in that lymph mine). Douillard appeared to be only prepared to run his talking points, and was not expecting to be under the microscope, or called on his contradictions.

The bottom line, to pick up where <…> left off, is:
 Douillard: Don't eat wheat with a broken gut.
 Douillard: Fix your gut first, and then
 Perlmutter: Expect to break it again immediately if you eat wheat.

Another striking interchange from the interview, which happened twice, went something like:
Perlmutter: but what about this killer paper indicting grains on...?
ouillard: well, there are papers on the other side of that too
Perlmutter: so how do you resolve these conflicts?
Douillard: I rely on my clinical experience

Perhaps not coincidentally, Dr. Davis put up an on-point blog post a few days later:
 Grains: Perfect Obesogens.

Douillard clearly is aware of gliadin, zonulin and WGA. He's apparently in denial about how relentless these toxins are for everyone.

A 10,000 year old mistake is still a mistake.

Bob Niland [disclosures] [topics]

General Discussion / Re: Instant Pot
« on: March 11, 2017, 08:50:28 PM »
I was considering getting one, but it fails our criteria for an advertised use: yogurt.

It only has a number of fixed temperature settings, and cannot be adjusted to any arbitrary temp. What it thinks is the yogurt range is too low for the cultures we use.

If anyone know of a slow cooker / pasteurizer / yogurt cooker with continuously variable set temp, and ±4°F regulation, let me know. It doesn't also have to be a pressure cooker, but does need to be not just for yogurt, and in particular we want one medium to large vessel, and not a heater for a bunch of jars.

Wheat Free Recipes / Re: Cookies
« on: February 02, 2017, 07:19:25 AM »
Tbone: Thinking of adding something like xanthan gum to keep them from the cookies from falling apart.

Xantham gum is an emulsifer. Don't do that.

Use a safe thickener.

We use coconut flour, and/or a bit of egg, and/or some buttermilk in our tweaked cookie recipes (that are, alas, not written down).

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General Discussion / Re: Nutritional Yeast
« on: January 28, 2017, 12:33:54 PM »
Nutritional yeast has been asked about on the WB Blog any number of times, but I find only one response by Dr. Davis.
"I believe that nutritional yeast, to be distinguished from yeast that is an opportunistic pathogen, such as Candida, is benign, unless you have a specific sensitivity."

The key questions would be:
- what strains(s)?
- cultured on what substrate?
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General Discussion / Re:
« on: January 23, 2017, 02:58:06 PM »
As I'm going to reference this thread from time to time, I though it worthwhile to post a short update on Cureality.

I do not actively promote Cureality at present, but it is a suitable resource for people in certain situations.

Since we last discussed it here, two features have been added:
  • Live video chat - users can set up multi-user meets (Zoom platform).
  • Heathcare professional registry (still in work, may cross-list with a similar one associated with the Undoctored U program).
There will be more developments as the Undoctored initiative rolls out, and precisely what that means for Cureality is unclear to me. If history is any guide, what happened with the TYP to Cureality transition was that the new site was a mirror of the old site, plus new content, and existing members became members of both. Once the migration was complete, the TYP pages all ended up redirecting to Cureality.
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General Discussion / Re: Could someone please offer advice for my friend?
« on: January 07, 2017, 08:43:35 AM »
The victim here needs a quack-ectomy (removing ¾ of her medical care providers), and to decide that she won't allow her non-supportive family to kill her. It's that blunt.

It may in fact already be too late to heal this bowel, but if she immediately surrenders to the resection, that guarantees that there will never be a full recovery, and she'll be managing the consequences for the rest of her life.

Her situation is almost certainly a direct result of gut-toxic consensus dietary advice, the present minefield of other gut-toxic food-like substances, and a lifetime of gratuitous prescription and OTC antibiotics.

With very cautious attention to microbiome support (ramp up prebiotic slowly), the WB program is easily worth a try. Either the 10-Day Detox, or the new Slim Guide would be straightforward places to start.
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General Discussion / Re: Autoimmune disease and probiotics
« on: December 21, 2016, 03:53:19 PM »
The more important question here is:
is L.reuteri normally present in a healthy gut, and if so, what's causing it to go missing?

My guess is that the answers are:
. probably, and
. much of what consensus medicine routinely does, plus pervasive antagonists in standard diets and various elements of our personal environments

Take away - get your gut in order and keep it that way (a task presently getting trickier every day).

How's that bankcard commercial go?
What's in your tap water?
Bob Niland [disclosures] [topics]

Introduce Yourself to the Wheat Free Forum / Re: My fibromyalgia
« on: December 18, 2016, 08:33:14 AM »
Sandi: to this forum...

Welcome aboard.

re: ... on the verge of going wheatfree.

What reference information informs your choices?

For "why", might I recommend Wheat Belly Total Health (Davis, 2014). For "just do it", Wheat Belly 10-Day Grain Detox (Davis, 2015).

re: I have also had gut problems for a large part of my life.

There's more than just wheat afoot on that. Dysbiosis is an unrecognized pandemic, resulting from pervasive prescription, OTC/topical/oral and second-hand antibiotics, plus microbiome antagonists pretending to be food (including wheat, but also processed food ingredients like artificial sweeteners and emulsifiers), and standard diets low in prebiotic fiber. The 2014+ WB books cover it.

re: I had a laparotomy when I was 16 years old for an almost perforated appendix, following which the surgeon told me that he had had 'everything out' and given it a good check!!!

Does that imply that you had an appendectomy? Until quite recently, consensus medicine considered the appendix to be a vestigial organ, but it is now thought to have an important role as a reservoir of gut flora, allowing us to repopulate after upsets, illnesses, adverse foods and periods of insufficient prebiotic substrate. It may turn out that anyone without an appendix needs to be extra mindful of their gut flora population, and perhaps use probiotics more often. Wheat Belly publications don't yet have a posture on this.

A family member had distressing symptoms consistent with FM, and actually figured out that wheat was a major antagonist prior to the publication of the original Wheat Belly (2011). Going grain-free, low-net-carb, high-specific fat, and attending to both common micronutrient deficiencies and gut flora has made a dramatic difference.

Aspartame is also a major suspect in the family case. The FM (or FM-like) symptoms appeared after a period of working a night shift and drinking a lot of diet pop.
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General Discussion / Re: Wheat Belly Diet Plan
« on: December 13, 2016, 08:29:35 PM »
Here's Dr. Davis in a couple of places on the WB Blog:
Experience your inner cow
Go ahead: Eat your meat

And here's me:
On the blog.
and as:
Doing Wheat Belly as Vegetarian

WB doesn't set any specific intake targets for protein intake. Some observers advocate "enough to maintain muscle mass and no more". That's probably a reasonable floor.
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General Discussion / Re: How cancer spreads
« on: December 11, 2016, 06:01:51 AM »
On Harlan TD.06414.
Paper pay-walled at Nature.
What less could we ask for?

Meanwhile, who did that video?

Here's Seyfried on metastasis in 2013: On the Origin of Cancer Metastasis

Wheat Free Recipes / Re: GF/SF Granola
« on: November 18, 2016, 08:11:15 PM »
re: what is the glutinous substance that comes out of cooked oats that so resembles gluten?

Perhaps some analog of gluten, as the avenin protein of oats is an analog of gliadin. Being sky-hi-gly is not the only problem with oats (for example, 70% of production in the US contains troubling levels of Ochratoxin A).

Oats are commonly cross-contaminated with wheat, but not likely to the extent that gluten is present in amounts useful for texture.

Wheat Free Market Foods sells a GF low carb granola for anyone who doesn't want to make their own.

General Discussion / Re: Davis's Discussion
« on: October 17, 2016, 07:01:59 AM »
re: When are the comments shut down on Dr. Davis's blog?

It's been 14 days after article publication for a couple of years now.

re: I'd like to respond to a [closed] question…

You can do that by bringing it up on any open thread. Since none are likely to be germane to discussing an old article, commenting under the newest one would provide the most time for discussion.

See also on this forum: How to Use the Wheat Belly Blog (WBB)

General Discussion / Re: Research re gluten
« on: October 09, 2016, 11:11:53 AM »
CBC: Inside the pitcher are precious digestive juices that could one day spell huge relief for people with Celiac disease.

That might reduce peptides, but does that in fact prevent triggering of zonulin (and leaky gut)? And what are the side effects of trying to make your metabolism mimic that of a carnivorous plant? What do Vegan Celiacs think of this?  :o

In any case, it only addresses one or two of over a dozen problems with gluten-bearing grains. The real solution, for most people, is to stick to human food and avoid eating ruminant food.

Which is not to say that I wouldn't welcome a solution for acute Celiacs for whom even the FDA's 20ppm gluten-free limit is not low enough. They can hardly risk walking abroad in daylight in our grain-infested culture.

General Discussion / Re: The Keto Summit
« on: October 02, 2016, 07:50:47 AM »
Today's email indicates that they will be replaying everything on the 5th and 6th (48 hour window), but you'll have to register at the link provided by Barb.

General Discussion / Re: Anyone seen this on Omega 3 intake?
« on: September 17, 2016, 01:01:53 PM »
No paper yet, and none of the news stories discuss any attempt to de-confound for carb intake in general, much less grain intake specifically.

Fat intake is based on estimates from questionaires, so there's that issue as well.

Given that T2D is a completely optional ailment, and most people following, for example, Grain Brain or Wheat Belly are getting 3 grams/day of DHA+EPA, and no one is complaining about getting a T2D diagnosis (quite the opposite), I'm not terribly worried about what the eventual paper will say.

The authors may have disclosed no industry ties, but when Omega 3 DHA&EPA are under attack, we also have to rule out vegan nutters on a crusade.

Food Elements / Re: Splenda
« on: August 30, 2016, 08:26:22 AM »
re: When you say 'no emulsifiers' are you referring to lecithin?

Yep, and many thickeners are also emulsifiers (some that are not).

re: There are some health benefits to lecithin.

I prefer to avoid/minimize lecithins as a specific added ingredient.
 Bob Niland [disclosures] [topics]

Food Elements / Re: Splenda
« on: August 30, 2016, 06:41:30 AM »
re: Are you saying that using sugar is now thought to be OK?

It's always been OK, subject to net carb guidelines, which allow for so little of it that we have none in the house.

We do consume it as naturally occurring sugar in whole foods, and as added sugar in the form of high %cacao chocolate, again, subject to net carb targets.

Using choc as an example, the priorities for selecting a product might thus be:
☑ low lead
☑ low cadmium
☑ organic cacao
☑ no emulsifiers
with the source of the sucrose not being a big deal.

Food Elements / Re: Splenda
« on: August 29, 2016, 03:49:02 PM »
re: isn't xylitol made from corn=gm?

By the time the corn is reduced to crystals of xylitol, my guess is no proteins, nor anything else with DNA, remain, at all, nor any field chemical residues. So although it's a worthy gesture to support producers who avoid conventional ag, it may not be strictly necessary for your health on sweeteners.

Ditto for real sugar. There's very likely no health difference between a gram of generic table sugar and a gram of "non-GMO organic evaporated cane juice". The flow agent and container materials are likely bigger concerns.

Spend your non-GMO organic dollar where it matters, such as on meats and veggies.

General Discussion / Re: A couple of ads
« on: August 26, 2016, 09:16:49 AM »
It's nice that they are static images, and not server-side includes, scripted objects or iframes. My AV and NoScript didn't raise an eyebrow.

With referenced/included non-image objects, you (as forum operator) can never really be sure what you are serving out to users. Liability for the consequences, when someone upstream gets cracked, does not yet appear to be settled.

Wheat Free Recipes / Re: FauxKanto: Copycat Lakanto sweetener!
« on: August 17, 2016, 04:03:30 PM »
re: What is Lakanto sweetener?

From a recent article on Wheat Belly Blog:
"Lakanto (erythritol + monkfruit in a proportion designed to be used like sugar 1:1) is the most costly sweetener by a substantial margin, over 3-fold the cost of the SweetLeaf stevia"
 Bob Niland [disclosures] [topics]

re: I read the Wheat Belly Book & Cookbook...

For further study, the most comprehensive book on the program is Wheat Belly Total Health (2014), which includes some key topics overlooked or not emphasized in the original 2011 book, in particular the entire microbiome topic, and making the daily and interval net carb targets clear.
 Bob Niland [disclosures] [topics]

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