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General Discussion / Re: Sleep problems lately...
« on: September 24, 2018, 08:55:21 AM »
I have not had that issue.  Hope it resolves for you.  I don't
see how more starch or sugar could help though.

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: May 20, 2018, 09:55:16 AM »

Why do you continue to do this?  Hyman's
article links to another of his own that says

"Eat whole unprocessed foods with plenty of fiber: vegetables, beans, nuts, seeds, and whole grains. "You're confusing me and probably everyone else on this site.  I see nothing in his article that leads to anything close to evidence.  Sorry for the formatting thing.

Personal Diaries / Re: Starting a New Journey
« on: May 14, 2018, 12:18:58 PM »
Welcome and I wish you the best.

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: May 13, 2018, 05:02:41 PM »
From your source:

"In vitro binding capacities of three dietary fibers and their mixture for four toxic elements, cholesterol, and bile acid"

...begs the questions: Does this happen in vivo, and
is this something our bodies must have to deal with
the four toxic elements?  This study doesn't make
those cases.

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: May 13, 2018, 04:57:15 PM »
From your source:

"...control period during which the diet was high in fat (40% of calories as fat) ..."

Do you believe 40% is "high in fat"?

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: May 13, 2018, 04:54:33 PM »
From your source:

"... reduced serum cholesterol and thus a decreased risk of cardiovascular disease..."

Do you still believe this?

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: May 13, 2018, 04:49:37 PM »

Why do you do this:

From your source:

"...bicity of the sterol have been shown to affect the adsorption of bile acids to certain hydrocolloids. The adsorption capacity of bile acids to wheat, corn, oat, barley and rice fibers was favored by an acidic pH environment, large hydrophobic surface area and greater hydrophobicity of the bile acid. Adsorption of bile acids by dietary fiber is one of the proposed mechanisms for the hypocholesterolemic effect of dietary fiber. Increased fecal excretion of bile acids leads to the increased metabolism of cholesterol in the liver, thus lowering serum cholesterol levels. Evidence in human subjects suggests that soluble fibers such as [/size]pectin[/color][/size], [/size]psyllium[/color][/size], [/size]guar,[/color][/size]and [/size]oat bran[/color][/size] are effective serum cholesterol-lowering agents [[/size]1360[/color][/size]]. Bile acids have been implicated in the etiology of colon cancer [[/size]229[/color][/size]]. A number of studies have shown that colorectal cancer patients have higher levels of secondary bile acids both entering and leaving the colon. There is a strong relationship between cereal fiber consumption and the prevention of colorectal cancer. Many of the most effective dietary fibe..."
[/size]and again:
[/size]" Cereal fibers are particularly effective at binding or partitioning putative co-carcinogens such as fecapentaenes, heterocyclic amines, and secondary bile acids into the matrix of the fiber, thus reducing their cytotoxic effect..."
[/size]Do you want us to eat more grains?  I'm confused.

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: May 11, 2018, 11:21:13 AM »
And you have references for these assertions?

General Discussion / Re: Ketosis with potatoes
« on: May 07, 2018, 11:10:30 AM »

Have you watched this:

It's fromt he ketoedge summit that is available for free this week:

(updated to fix formatting issues)

General Discussion / Re: Ketosis with potatoes
« on: May 01, 2018, 02:11:36 PM »
"Still in ketosis, with potatoes everyday."

By what measurement?

General Discussion / Re: Ketosis with potatoes
« on: April 28, 2018, 09:55:04 PM »

Spilling ketones in your urine doesn't mean you are
in ketosis.  It just means that you are inefficiently spilling
ketones, not using them.  Everyone has a certain
amount of ketones circulating all the time, more
or less amounts at different times depending on
many factors, such as time of day, level of activity
what you have eaten, etc.  Also, if you show no ketones
in your urine, it doesn't mean anything either. 

The measurement that proves you
are metabolizing ketones is whether you have acetone
in your breath.  That is because as you burn acetoacetate,
the byproduct is acetone which is not burned by the body.
Ketonix is the cheapest method to measure this.

Furthermore, I can't imagine why anyone chases ketones.
Seems a useless thing to do for optimal health.  You want
to see high readings of ketones in blood or urine?  Take
exogenous ketones.  Won't necessarily improve health,
but it will increase those numbers.

(updated to fix formatting issues)

General Discussion / Re: Ketosis with potatoes
« on: April 28, 2018, 03:21:39 PM »
Betahydroxybuterate in the blood does not indicate
being in ketosis.

General Discussion / Re: Ketosis with potatoes
« on: April 28, 2018, 09:35:54 AM »

I'm not convinced. 

If you have excess blood glucose,
your ketones will stay high in your blood until that
glucose is burned off.  Do you have a Ketonix?  I'd be
interested to know if you stay in fat burning mode
throughout this type of experiment.  Ketonix measures
acetone in your breath, which can only show up if you
are metabolizing fat. 

Why would you ever need to force an increase the amount of
carbs in your diet?  As has been stated on this and many
other sites, the amount of starch that becomes "resistant"
is vanishingly small.  The rest, you metabolize as pure sugar.

So many people try to negotiate on a keto diet so they can
eat more carbs.  I don't see the point.

Introduce Yourself to the Wheat Free Forum / Re: Hi all
« on: February 28, 2018, 03:44:53 PM »
I'm the guy on this site that everyone complains about when
I answer these kinds of questions, but here goes:  With a
question like that, you have pretty much not understood
anything about the issue.  I wish you the best.

Anyone else?

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: February 06, 2018, 12:12:25 PM »
"Too" bad...  Doncha hate that?

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: February 04, 2018, 09:48:32 AM »

Just coincidentally, Georgia Ede referred to Amber O'Hearn recently:

Just another part in the puzzle.  To bad Boundless has ducked out of
this thread.

Sorry about the formatting thing.

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: February 04, 2018, 09:15:31 AM »
Here's a question and answer session worth your time.
I generally agree with what they have to say about fiber:

I watched it mostly at 1.5x speed.

General Discussion / Re: International LCHF Day is Today!
« on: January 16, 2018, 02:40:47 PM »
This is the real fat Tuesday!

General Discussion / International LCHF Day is Today!
« on: January 16, 2018, 12:12:48 PM »
Today is international LCHF day!

Eat some fat and celebrate!

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: January 12, 2018, 09:26:27 AM »

Can you help with the formatting, please?

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: January 12, 2018, 09:25:06 AM »

Here's the thread that just ended a few minutes ago.
Well worth your time:

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: January 12, 2018, 09:21:54 AM »

Here's a post by Professor Timothy Noakes a few minutes ago
[/size]on the Reddit Sub Ketoscience:[/color][/size]

I think you final question is absolutely appropriate. The evidence that fibre has health benefits is based on speculation not fact (ie not on rigorously conducted randomized controlled trials). The makers of breakfast cereals have driven this belief in the benefits of fibre over the years but in the absence of hard evidence). The same for the story about the biome. I think you have to experiment for yourself and find what works.

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: January 11, 2018, 11:31:41 AM »
My bad.   :)

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: January 10, 2018, 11:47:53 AM »
I didn't do any of that formatting.  I just copied and pasted
from Dr. Davis's site.

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: January 09, 2018, 11:16:41 PM »

This was just posted today by Dr. Davis:

"Also, don’t fall for the argument that cooling cooked potatoes or rice allows the sugars to reconvert back to fibers, called “retrogradation”; this does indeed happen but only to a slight degree. The great majority of sugars do [/size]not[/color] convert to fiber."[/font][/color]

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: January 06, 2018, 04:27:16 PM »
I'm not sold on resistant starch.  Seems like just a
reason for people to eat more carbs.  Cook it then
cool it overnight, then heat it up to nor more than
130 F and eat it under a waning gibbous and it
magically doesn't affect your blood sugar (add game
show buzzer here).

Do you have any citations showing benefits?

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: December 26, 2017, 06:34:35 PM »

Here's from Jason Fung's post today:

Down a few paragraphs he talks about fiber and

Where's the positive studies re: fiber?

General Discussion / Re: Question on smoking meats
« on: December 24, 2017, 09:21:30 AM »
I don't smoke my meats, but I'm not averse to
eating smoked meats.  It seems, however, that
"smoked" meats often are just infused with a
sugar/smoke flavor.  That ain't good.  And I'm
not concerned about the nitrate/nitrite issue. 
Chris Kresser did a good post about that.

I can't figger out the formatting thing.

General Discussion / Re: Canola oil linked to dementia, study says
« on: December 13, 2017, 12:19:58 PM »
Thanks Rita.

General Discussion / Re: Can American soil be brought back to life?
« on: December 08, 2017, 10:19:22 AM »
Here's Peter Ballerstedt's take on it:

Also read Lierre Keith's The Vegetarian Myth

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: December 03, 2017, 09:56:41 PM »

The papers you link typically make assumptions that
fiber is good and go from there, like, "How good?"

The first paper's title actually says "benefits of dietary fiber: beyond the usual suspects..."
An assumption right there.  The paper links to another
that says in its first line, "Dietary fiber is a term that reflects a heterogeneous group of natural food sources, processed grains, and commercial supplements..."  How can these be any good?

What I've found is as Dr. Davis has talked about
when the studies have been done, they compare
whole wheat to refined flour and then say, "See,
the whole wheat is very healthy."  Just like saying
filtered cigarettes are healthier than unfiltered. 

Your first link even says, "cohort study of 74,091 females over 12 years found women in the highest quintile for whole grain consumption had a 49% lower risk of major weight gain than women..." What do you want me to learn from that?

Your second link references rat studies:  "...orum, was superior in decreasing lesions in a rat IBD model..."
The fact that butyrate is healthy for the lower gut is
true, but that doesn't mean you must eat fiber to have
your gut bacteria create it.  The gut bacteria can live
on secretions from your intestines and do so, normally.
You don't need 'roughage' to get these benefits.  In fact
that paper says, "...Although a decrease in the number of lactic
acid bacteria has been shown in IBD, administration of lactic acid
bacteria has yielded inconsistent results with respect to the treatment of IBD."
They are admitting fiber doesn't work well.  What do you want me
to learn from that?

Third link:  Yes, butyric acid is beneficial.  Rat and in vitro study where
they say, "...shown that guar gum and oat bran, while highly fermentable,
are associated with low butyrate levels in the distal colon, while wheat bran causes..."
What do you want me to learn from that?

You're the administrator for a "Wheat Free Forum" and the
first three studies laud the benefits of...wheat!
Not very convincing.

The rest are studies showing the benefits of butyric acid.
As I said, you don't need fiber to attain the benefits.  Konstantin
Monastyrsky agrees with the benefits of butyric acid but he
shows how and why you are benefited highly by forgoing
the fiber.

Again, have you found any convincing evidence of ingesting fiber?
I have not.

Fiber Menace is a good book and you might learn much from it.

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: December 03, 2017, 01:50:41 PM »

But how about those important short chain fatty acids the fiber eating bacteria produce such as butyric acid?


Do you have any citations showing their benefit?
I've not seen any convincing evidence that fiber
solves any problems.  Have you?

{sorry about the formatting.  I can't seem to get it right}

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: December 01, 2017, 10:27:36 PM »


Sorry, I cannot parse this:

"Since you have read it, do you think that would add or subtract anything from the post-2013 Wheat Belly or Undoctored programs?"

"Based on your remarks, it appears that Menace suffered..."

Is this a dig?  What are you saying?  This type of dialog seems
beneath you.

I highly recommend Fiber Menace

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: December 01, 2017, 04:30:58 PM »

Most of those topics are exhaustively discussed in the book
without being put into the index.  How can you make the claim that he
has no awareness just by looking in the index?  If he did put your
group of words in the index, he'd have to cite every page of the book.

Your loss.

General Discussion / Re: Fiber Menace
« on: December 01, 2017, 11:03:07 AM »

If you're interested, here's what I get:

The reasons that fiber is not good for humans are basically
those same reasons put forth by fiber advocates. 

Fiber adds to satiety.  Yes, it does, but filling your stomach is
not a good measure of satiety.  Your stomach will just increase
in size to accommodate increased pressure, and you'll lose out
over time. Bigger stomach would lead to more fiber/food needed.
Healthy satiety comes from giving your body the nutrients it needs.

Fiber is not a "nutrient."  Wood shavings offer no nutrition to humans.
Fiber helps you eliminate.  Yes, it does, but using that mechanism
over time leads to needing more and more fiber to get the same
results.  As Dr. Eric Westman says, "Bringing fiber to ease
constipation is like adding cars to relieve a traffic jam." 

Fiber (some) is digested by bacteria in your lower gut into amino acids.  Yes
it is, but they are acidic (hence the name) and your lower gut
cannot absorb what you might need from that.  Also, the
byproduct of that process is gasses, which distend your gut,
causing damage to what is supposed to be tight lining, resulting
in pain, not to mention flatulence which is unnecessary.

Fiber is "undigestible"  Hello.  Your intestines will continue to try to
digest it, with resultant secretions of acids and hormones (such as
insulin) when it detects more substance going through. 

Fiber slows down your digestion.  Yes, that is true.  One of the problems
as we age is longer digestion time.  Adding fiber just slows it down more.

Fiber slows the absorption of sugars.  Yes, that is true, but your pancreas
will continue to secrete insulin to try to deal with the sugars it continues
to see over longer periods. 

The healthier digestion is to get the sugars
out of the digestion and bloodstream quickly so you are not hyperinsulinemic.

I could go on, but I hope you get the idea.

We can only hope.

If he was following the AHA guidelines, there ya go.
If he was not following the AHA guidelines, he's a hypocrite.
Either way, he's got a big problem.

General Discussion / Fiber Menace
« on: November 30, 2017, 09:02:19 PM »

Have you read Fiber Menace by Konstatin Monastyrsky?
You recently answered a question about microbiome on
DD site.  Thought you'd be interested in it.

I'm pretty much aligned with Konstantin's thinking.

General Discussion / World LCHF Day, January 16th
« on: October 27, 2017, 09:39:12 AM »
This idea was recently posted on Annika Dahlqvist's site:

Let's have January 16th be World LCHF Day.

I think it's a great idea and I'm getting it out to everyone.

Hope you all can get behind this idea and get it rolling.

Food Elements / Re: Canteloupe
« on: October 09, 2017, 09:39:16 PM »
"...there is more sugar in cantaloupe than I realized or I am very sensitive to sugar even in small doses."
[/size]Yes to both.

Food Elements / Re: Plant-Based Diets, Micronutrients and Mental Health
« on: September 23, 2017, 11:04:14 AM »
Okay, set your alarms.  Our program is in 5.5 hours.
3:30 PM Pacific time.  Today, we deconstruct a nutrition

If you miss our program, just go to our website:

We're getting lots of programs posted there.  They're
all less than 30 minutes long.  I find that I can't
concentrate on podcasts of much longer durations.

Let us know how you like them and if you have a
topic you'd like us to address.

General Discussion / Re: A good case for dairy
« on: September 21, 2017, 04:04:21 PM »
He did say that, but he also says this:
[/size]"Of course, not all carbs are created equal, and you want to get them from complex carbohydrate foods, such as sweet potatoes, chickpeas, brown rice, blueberries, bananas, barley, whole wheat pasta, legumes, and whole wheat bread. [/size]"
[/size]And he says: "Carbohydrates are the main energy source..."
[/size]He's not on my wavelength.

General Discussion / Re: Is seafood safe to eat?
« on: September 15, 2017, 10:01:16 AM »
Not too hard to guess what the problems are!

My guess:  Too many people.

I'd bet my bottom dollar that many of them
would never eat their own products.

Good thing I don't ever eat corn.  And now I endeavor
to avoid grain fed meat of any kind.  Get my chicken
from Beewench farms and get beef from Cal Poly
grass fed and finished beef.  I'm always on the lookout
for other good sources of food.

Food Elements / Re: Plant-Based Diets, Micronutrients and Mental Health
« on: September 09, 2017, 02:22:01 PM »
About 2 hours from now.

Food Elements / Re: Plant-Based Diets, Micronutrients and Mental Health
« on: September 07, 2017, 07:59:38 PM »
Read it.  Loved it.  Our show will be on it on Saturday:

3:30 PM Pacific time.  Every Saturday.  You can hear
past shows and we have lots of stuff on our website:

General Discussion / Re: Chickens are Carnivors
« on: September 03, 2017, 08:52:43 AM »
I usually use leftover steak to make a stew to which
I add chicken livers and chicken hearts.  Some onions
some mushrooms.  It's all chopped up in there.
Nothing special.

General Discussion / Chickens are Carnivors
« on: September 02, 2017, 12:51:00 PM »

This is great.  I always wondered how someone
could raise bugs for chicken feed.  Turns out it's

I went to my local farmers market and talked to
the person I buy chicken hearts for (High CoQ10)
and she said she feeds her chickens about 30%
black soldier fly larvae and doesn't feed them
any grains.  I bought a chicken to roast.

General Discussion / Hope everyone is well
« on: August 30, 2017, 08:43:25 AM »
Hope you are all enjoying summer. (Northern Hemisphere)

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