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General Discussion / Re: Biotin
« on: August 14, 2016, 11:42:47 AM »
More than I know about biotin:
Cureality Forum > Supplement Central > biotin
 Bob Niland [disclosures] [topics]

General Discussion / Re: Carolyn Dean - Magnesium for Heart Arrhythmia
« on: August 11, 2016, 01:43:45 PM »
re: ...given the poor mineral quality of our foods and the difficulty our body has in absorbing mineral supplements, ...

Which is why Mg is a core supplement in programs like Wheat Belly and Grain Brain, and not just for arrhythmia.

re: ... that Dr. Dean provides a good first line option with her readily absorbable ReMag and ReMyte products, or even just using other ionic supplements which are also absorbed fairly well.

That product is MgCl. At what appears to work out to US$1.00/day, it's going to be expensive compared to say, home-made magnesium water. On WB guidelines, you'd need a triple serving to hit the daily intake target (and doing it across 3 spaced doses is actually a good idea). Whether it's well absorbed is something I don't have an opinion on, so it might come down to Dr. Dean's credibility.

re: When you talk about "vagus nerve health" are talking about gut flora?

That could be part of it, or even all of it. I don't think we have any real idea. This nerve is pretty clearly a conduit for some CNS diseases, like Parkinson's. V
agotomy (strongly discouraged now) early in life cuts PD risk by 50%, and there's a microbiota connection (Prevotella down, Enterobacteria up in PD victims).

General Discussion / Re: Carolyn Dean - Magnesium for Heart Arrhythmia
« on: August 11, 2016, 07:35:11 AM »
Mg is a necessary but not sufficient element of arrhythmia (and esp. Afib) prevention and management.

It's a specific topic on Dr. Davis' Cureality site, for example, and further elements there include getting pathological metabolism under control (diet, natch), optimizing thyroid (not trivial), Vitamin D, Omega 3 DHA&EPA, a bio-feedback technique and perhaps a couple of amino acids.

My personal wild guess is that what we're really looking at here is vagus nerve health, with dietary and environmental provocations starting early in life. It's not clear that they are fully amendable to later fixes.
 Bob Niland [disclosures] [topics]

General Discussion / Re: Fish Oil
« on: August 07, 2016, 07:19:11 PM » is Greger's site, who as far as I can tell is a vegan zealot.

DHA&EPA are a huge theoretical problem for vegetarians generally, and vegans in particular. The only vegan source of DHA&EPA in adequate amounts is from modern processed marine algae, which is obviously not an ancestral source. In order to advance an argument that the natural and/or historical human diet is/was vegetarian, the need for ~1gram DHA and ~2grams EPA daily needs to be made to go away, by any means necessary - "you don't need that much" - "ALA is a fine source" - "these junk papers prove it" - etc.

As Dr. Weil's article suggests, with any studies of fish oil, there are a number of hard questions that need to be answered. The big ones are:
  • Did they use less than 2 grams total? *that's an approximate threshold of therapeutic effect)
  • Was the diet at least reasonably low carb?
  • If they didn't minimize Omega 6 linoleic acid, did they at least record it?

General Discussion / Re: Fish Oil
« on: August 03, 2016, 09:40:55 AM »
re: Well, I've just purchased another bottle (180 softgels) from Amazon of Nordic Naturals fish oil.  And twice a day, is that right?

It depends on whose lead you are following. Davis (Wheat Belly) recommends 3000-3600mg per day of DHA+EPA. Perlmutter (Grain Brain), as I recall, recommends a minimum of 2000mg combined, of which at least 1000 needs to be DHA.

This is not ~3 grams of fish oil - it will be more than that. Figure out how much DHA&EPA you get - and how many caps it takes to get that.

Also watch out for what else is in the formulation, both in terms of active ingredients, and supposedly inactive ingredients. Cod liver oil presents a possible Vitamin A toxicity risk. Combo FO & Vit.D products might be a D overload. What else is there is always worth checking.

General Discussion / Re: Fish Oil
« on: August 03, 2016, 06:40:19 AM »
re: Came across this interesting product research [IFOS], and hope Bob Niland is around to check it out.

Thanks for the link. It appears to be legit, and has been mentioned a couple of times on the Cureality forum, with no particular caveats.

IFOS is subscription (for the oil producers) but free for consumers. They appear to frequently test and report on subscriber products, and post PDF reports with batch numbers.

Benefits of the program (for consumers) include:
  • More brands tested than ConsumerLab tests.
  • Reports are free to consumers (CL is consumer subscription).
Limitations of the program appear to include:
  • Batch samples are supplied by the subscribing producers.
  • Producers decide whether or not the results get published.
     (nonetheless, some fails do get published)
  • Non-subscribing brands (like Sam's Club) aren't tested.
Nutrasource also runs similar programs for GMOs and Enzymes.

Food Elements / Re: Splenda
« on: July 20, 2016, 08:02:34 PM »
re: Sucralose … favorable comparison to other low-calorie sweeteners in terms of taste, stability, and safety.

I'd like to see the long term safety studies for human microbiome (hint - they don't exist), and this is why I don't consume it.

But that's not the only suspicion. There's also an insulin/appetite effect that lately got some coverage, such as this on Diet Doctor, where I had further comments.

Wheat Free Recipes / Re: Rice crackers?
« on: July 10, 2016, 03:40:45 PM »
re: However a guest pointed out the label which included SUGAR...dang...

Rice alone is pretty close to being sugar from a blood glucose point of view, plus it always contains wheat germ agglutinin, and usually contains arsenic in surprisingly high concentration.

If it had sugar in it, I wouldn't be surprised if it also had added Omega 6 linoleic acid in it (from vegetable oil).

General Discussion / Re: Weight wall success stories
« on: July 10, 2016, 03:36:17 PM »
re: true true but carbs seem to be everywhere but air...

Over 98% of what passes for food in modern markets is unfit for routine human consumption. If it ain't the wheat, grains and sugars, it's the Omega 6 linoleic acid, microbiome antagonists (preservatives, emulsifiers, pesticides), colorants, and other chemistry set toxins.

re: and not sure what happens if you work in a bakery and inhale

Baker's asthma, an authentic heirloom wheat allergy.

General Discussion / Re: Toothpaste I really like
« on: June 24, 2016, 03:52:35 PM »
re: I don't think the Auromere toothpaste is Dr. Bronner's product.

Correct, but this thread isn't about any one product in particular at this point.

General Discussion / Re: Toothpaste I really like
« on: June 24, 2016, 06:38:24 AM »
Dr. Bronner's TP recently came to my attention.

Here's what's in one flavor (Cinnamon):
Organic Glycerin, Organic Aloe Barbadensis Leaf Juice, Hydrated Silica, Calcium Carbonate, Xanthan Gum, Sodium Bicarbonate (Baking Soda), Potassium Cocoate (made with Organic Coconut Oil*), Organic Cinnamomum Cassia (Cinnamon) Oil, Organic Mentha Arvensis (Menthol) Crystals, Organic Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Flour*, Organic Cocos Nucifera (Coconut) Oil*, Tocopherol, Citric Acid, Organic Stevia Rebaudiana Leaf / Stem Extract
*Certified Fair Trade Ingredient

Fluoride-free. No obvious anti-microbials. But xantham gum is an emulsifier.

Packaging is loaded with off-topic philosophical agenda.

Thermal hot or spicy hot?

As noted above, users here often count Net Carbs, but almost never Calories.

re: You can also start reading Wheat Belly for...

In this case the later Wheat Belly Total Health (2014) is more appropriate, because it covers the topic of gut flora, which is apt to be in play here.

To skip the theory and dive right in, the Wheat Belly 10 Day Detox book (2015) would be the quick-start guide.

Bob Niland [disclosures] [topics]

General Discussion / Re: So I asked my pharmacist about Iodine...
« on: May 20, 2016, 01:11:45 PM »
re:  I also didn't know much about Vit K at this point. Will research a bit.

Have a look at Even if you don't buy that product, there's a lot of reference data there.

That site is by a member of Dr. Davis' Cureality forum, who researched K, and went and had a product formulated. I take it, but haven't been doing so long enough to be able to say anything further about it. The product is also sold on Amazon.

Food Elements / Re: Cliff builder bars?
« on: May 18, 2016, 08:18:30 AM »
There are only two bars on the market that I consider even worth considering:
  • Eric Westman's Adapt Bars
    (which are full ketogenic), and
  • Sisson's Primal Kitchen bar
    (which is the least hazardous of the paleo bars)
Everything else I've looked at has significant problems. Quest fell off my list last year.

General Discussion / Re: Slippery slope anecdotes?
« on: May 17, 2016, 03:35:05 PM »
re: i understand that sauces, soy sauce etc can affect Celiac sufferers, but is it enough to trigger the rest of us?

Yep. Many soy sauces (including Kikkoman) contain more wheat than soy. I expect some California lawyer to ask why they aren't called Salty Wheat Sauce in a lawsuit at some point.

Anyone susceptible to wheat re-exposure reactions of any sort can expect to react to soy sauce.

Stick with San-J Tamari.

General Discussion / Re: So I asked my pharmacist about Iodine...
« on: May 17, 2016, 01:01:30 PM »
re: I would like to be able to point to some corroborating evidence regarding the evaporative properties of Iodine,

Lots of web resources on that, such as: Stability of iodine in iodized salt used for correction of iodine-deficiency disorders. Note that the precipitous declines they graph are in plastic. Cardboard? Fuggedaboutit.

re: I also look forward to hearing more about discoveries in RDA levels.

Who's looking? The RDAs are thought to be settled. Even if they looked, they'd use over-optimistic values of the useless TSH to re-evaluate it. There's nothing patentable. Perfect storm of "get used to disappointment".

Consequently, Dr. D. routinely points to Japanese intake levels, and lets you make up your own mind.

General Discussion / Re: Insomnia?
« on: May 17, 2016, 09:00:52 AM »
Do you snore? If so, get checked for sleep apnea, which is a serious hazard (and one that will likely abate if you have weight to lose).

Other things to look at to improve sleep are:
  • Remediate gut health - add daily prebiotic fiber to diet, and consider a course of a quality probiotic. This often has a profound effect on both sleep and dream quality.
  • Get adequate hydration.
  • Avoid alcohol 4 hours before sleep.
  • Obey the sun. Get to bed as soon after sundown as possible. Maintain a regular sleep schedule. In any event, avoid all bright and blue light after sundown, and continue to avoid them if you need to arise in the night. Don't be surprised if circadian matters rise in prominence as a health factor.

General Discussion / Re: So I asked my pharmacist about Iodine...
« on: May 16, 2016, 07:55:37 PM »
You just learned a lot about your pharmacist, and not so much about iodine.

We do not get ample iodine from salt anymore. The RDAs are too low to begin with. What we used to get just made RDA. The low-salt nonsense that came in with low-fat/low-sat-fat caused people to reduce their salt intake. The iodine fortification in table salt is fragile. When a container of Morton's would be used up in a month, the iodine might still be there. Consuming less salt, you get less iodine. When consuming that takes months, or a year, it's evaporated. Anyone basing their intake estimates on pre-1970 data is making a mistake.

Furthermore, iodine faces increasing competition from non-native halogens at the thyroid. Hypothyroid is rampant, mis-tested, mis-diagnosed and mis-treated.

Here's Dr. Davis on iodine specifically.

re: and to Bob Niland for posting some of the most useful information I've run across on the web.

Thanks. If that's based on what I contribute to the Wheat Belly Blog, readers might have noticed that it fell silent a couple of days ago. Dr. D. has the expiry on comments set to 14 days, and hasn't posted anything for 16 or more, due to a hot project with a hard deadline. This has happened before, and I expect new traffic shortly.

If you haven't followed the crumbs to it, here's a link to a page with the various reference articles I rely on for answering common blog questions.

re: I feel like I've become a member of a secret society though.

It's getting less secret every day, as people stumble upon it or figure it out for themselves. I was just watching Ivor Cummins (The Fat Emporer) in a video intro to a screening of Widowmaker, and what he's worked out (based on skepticism of what a standard lipid panel supposedly said about him) appears to be an independent clone of Wheat belly, Grain Brain, etc.

re: My diet is now somewhat upside down compared to the masses, and I feel a hell of a lot better.

Not "somewhat", but almost entirely. Over 98% of what passes as "food" is unfit for routine human consumption, and the old food pyramid scheme really is upside down.

General Discussion / Re: Carb Face
« on: April 14, 2016, 03:18:04 PM »
Carbs alone can cause that edema and surface inflammation. The gluten-bearing grains are particularly effective at it.

Relief from it is prominently featured in a continuing stream of testimonials on the Wheat Belly Blog, most recently this one:
Lynn’s facial redness gone in 3 days on the Wheat Belly Detox!

re: I will wait for people who's careers are based on nutrition

OK; David Perlmutter, MD, FACN, ABIHM is a Board-Certified Neurologist and Fellow of the American College of Nutrition. The diet he recommends in Brain Grain and Brain Maker is indistinguishable from that in Wheat Belly. If you want to rely on authorities, they disagree, often massively. Someone is clearly mistaken, but who? That's up to you.

re: and NOT the heart muscle

Dr. Davis wound down what was probably a much more lucrative conventional cardiac practice of stents, angioplasties, bypasses and statins because he shifted to a focus on prevention, which became disease reversal. When he got his patients to alter their diets, his patient population (thousands) basically stopped having heart attacks. He's now saving more lives writing cookbooks, and that's not a metaphorical remark.

re: Frankly, I think most if not all here are suffering from something they want to believe and/or a pseudo placebo effect

Weight loss rates exceeding that thought possible aren't typically placebo effect, nor are near-term shifts in meaningful measures like HbA1c, triglycerides, BP and hsCRP.

re: but that's just my two.

That's your prescription for yourself. As I just put it on another forum: Once someone is open to the idea that the dietary recommendations of the USDA, ADA (any of them), AHA, and AMA might be incorrect, where do they turn? What evidence do they trust? What measures do they adopt? Have they even picked something that even offers near-time measurable results?

I consider it just a matter of luck that my family stumbled upon Wheat Belly in 2011.

Dissident diets are a dime a dozen. A mere handful are anything close to optimal. A larger number work to some extent, but often fall into a myopia trap by assuming that the big bad actor they figured out is the only one (new dogma replaces old dogma). Many are useless, if not outright traps. No question that someone might put to OK_Google or Siri is likely today to provide a healthy answer.

I took a not entirely humorous look at this latter problem in 2011.

Food Elements / Re: Arrowroot Powder
« on: March 29, 2016, 01:17:24 PM »
Another factor here is that the other low-carb thickeners and emulsifiers previously recommended may be coming under some scrutiny as gut biome antagonists. We may find that, with some attention to net carb impact at the portion, arrowroot provides the structural/consistency function without the gut downside.

Wheat Belly Blog last year: The battle for bowel flora

Food Elements / Re: Arrowroot Powder
« on: March 29, 2016, 12:42:40 PM »
With arrowroot, it comes down to portion size. The recipe is 10 to 12 servings.

One table spoon of arrowroot flour is just under 7 grams net carb, for the whole recipe. Divided by 10 is a mere 7/10ths gram of net carb contribution to each portion.

re:oat fiber, because it has no carbs and can replace almond and coconut flour, cutting down on net carb count.  I tried using a bit of it here and there, to coat chicken nuggets etc.  I started to feel those little pains again, in my hip, my shoulder, even the knee areas, and it took my a little while to make the connection, that it was the oat fiber, causing the inflammation and pain.

Oats are commonly cross-contaminated with wheat, due to sharing harvesting, transport, storage and processing equipment. Even if credibly gluten-free, the fiber may express the avenin protein (a gliadin analog).

>> It is the simple distressing case that 97+% of what passes for food in modern markets is unfit for routine human consumption

> ...and you know this because....

Wheat Belly Total Health (Davis), page 137 of the print edition. 1000 acceptable items out of 60000 leaves 59000, or 98.3% unacceptable. Actually, before he wrote that, my personal estimate was lower (perhaps 87% unacceptable). I was doing an eyeball estimate. I suspect he did an actual survey.

Entire aisles don't even need a visit: bread, cereal, candy, snacks, pop, sports/energy junk, processed meats, frozen meals/pizza. Then eliminate everything else that contains wheat, rye, barley, hi-gly grains, added sugars, added Omega 6 linoleic acid (PUFA), food coloring, emulsifiers, antibiotics, plus most of the CAFO crap, high sugar fruits, and there's not much left.

I'm sometimes the family shopper, and I know what we don't buy, which is an astonishingly high percentage of the food-like substances in modern markets (most of which flat out didn't exist a century ago - those treats come with price beyond what the bar code rings up as).

>'re a medical doctor or dietician or just have a 'real good feeling' that you're opinion is right?

If you rely on consensus MDs and/or dietitians, you are doomed. This is a dissident diet movement.

Anyone choosing to do any of the various grain-free LCHF diets is doing so because they've looked at the evidence (and/or their personal results) and decide to. Anyone doing it because they trust a guru is making the same mistake as trusting the USDA, AMA or ADA (except that in the case of consensus diets, you can confidently expect consensus results - runaway obesity, diabetes and a huge list of optional non-infectious chronic ailments).

Disclosure - I work for Dr. Davis. Contributing on WFF is not part of my job, tho.

re: In it's purest explanation...This diet seems to say avoid wheat and anything made from it.

Which diet? Wheat Belly?
 Wheat Free Forum doesn't have it's own diet plan that I know of.

If WB, it is by no means just wheat-free or even just grain free. It's also very low net carb (indefinitely), radical readjustment of fats, attends to microbiome, attends to common micronutrient deficiencies, and thyroid health (for which remediation may require more than just iodine).

re: Atkins says to avoid wheat and anything made from it.

During Induction phase. As I understand it, it's allowed back in later, thus insuring failure for many followers. Further, the current Atkins plan may be substantially different from the original. The current branded Atkins food-like substances are definitely something I avoid.

re: ...but the sheer impracticality of avoiding all wheat based products at home, on vacation, in a hurry, out of town, when your starving, at work, etc,etc,etc was just NOT tenable for the long haul...

Then you are impairing yourself in the long haul, and maybe the short haul.

It is the simple distressing case that 97+% of what passes for food in modern markets is unfit for routine human consumption. Defective government and ailment/medical association advice, coupled with consumer demand for cheap convenient food, has brought us to this, and navigating your way out of it is indeed at the moment inconvenient.

General Discussion / Re: Specials on PBS
« on: March 17, 2016, 06:10:08 PM »
Because questions about the Wheat Belly PBS specials arise from time to time on the Wheat Belly blog, I finally got around to snagging copies of the DVDs on eBay, and wrote up what I learned on the Cureality forum, as a basenote that anyone can read:
Wheat Belly Total Health: the PBS Videos

General Discussion / Re: Microbes
« on: March 11, 2016, 08:44:42 AM »

FYI: My AV sez:
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General Discussion / Re: Toothpaste I really like
« on: March 05, 2016, 06:36:54 PM »
re: Elixirs for oral health:


Well, that let the air out of that tire, unless he's talking about dilutions small enough that there is actual active ingredient left at more than trace concentrations.

General Discussion / Re: Shaker Cheese is using sawdust as filler
« on: February 28, 2016, 04:36:41 PM »
It is extremely common for pre-shredded and pre-grated cheeses to have both anti-clumping agents and antibiotics (often natamycin). This one just has Potassium Sorbate.

I would frankly be more concerned about the ABs, and then any cellulose being wheat-sourced, than worry about wood per se. Sawdust filler in bread, for example, has been an on-and-off scandal since the 1950s, but not for health reasons.

Because the Ingredients list clearly states the Cellulose powder and the Potassium Sorbate, the product obviously cannot be 100% anything else. If they meant to imply that it's a round-up, and these two additives are less than 0.5% of the 100%, well, then, it appears that the label is false.

Meanwhile, buy your cheeses whole, and grate them yourself.

General Discussion / Re: Peter Attia
« on: February 20, 2016, 08:33:31 PM »
He still checks in on his blog every few days, and of course someone asked about NuSI.

His response is here.

With 4 trials up and running, I suspect he considered it an opportune time to get some time back to spend on his practice and a probable book in work. Before NuSI he had time to blog. During NuSI he didn't.

Food Elements / Re: Epic Bars
« on: February 19, 2016, 05:49:55 PM »
re: I'm guessing that GM purchased this company as a way to grow because their usual products aren't doing too well.

It might have been a way to buy into the paleo or sane bar markets, or they might just be milking the goodwill of the brand before they run it into the ground. Normally, when Big Bad Food buys Little Quality Food, it's the kiss of death for LQF.

Epic bars are too high in net carbs for a snack bar in my book.

I'd like to see Epic replace some of the needless sugars in the products with stevia, and back off on the prominent "No Added Nitrates" claim that they immediately have to confess isn't true (celery powder). I have about zero confidence that the GM relationship will result in a move in that direction.

Food Elements / Re: Epic Bars
« on: February 19, 2016, 09:37:24 AM »
The URL above doesn't work. Take out the "s" in bars.

Know also that EPIC became a General Mills brand just recently.

Anyone looking for a bar might check into Eric Westman's Adapt brand, which appear to be full keto, and Mark Sissons Primal Kitchen, which are relatively low carb paleo.

General Discussion / Re: Weird thing for a candidate to say
« on: February 18, 2016, 01:46:14 PM »
re: I don't know why a presidential candidate would even go there:

Yup. He just alienated perhaps 5% of his base.

I suspect that anything that any of the candidates have to say about nutrition is going to be mistaken.

And even if they nailed it, it would still cost them votes.

It's too early for nutrition to be part of a platform, other than perhaps pointing to the trends in non-infectious chronic disease in the wake of DGA over the last 40 years, and declaring that we need to ask some hard questions about these results, and look at what some of the dissident approaches have done to dodge or jump off  those trendlines of doom.

re: You might also look into the herb ashwagandha for her anxiety.

Unless doing a nightshade elimination, it appears.

General Discussion / Re: The Truth About Cancer
« on: February 06, 2016, 08:32:30 PM »
re: I didn't know they made ketone supplements.

Any trials are apt to be using research material not available to the public, but there are at least three commercial exogenous ketone products out:
Prototype Nutrition KetoForce
Prüvit Keto//OS
Forevergreen Ketopia

KetoForce is by Patrick Arnold, the chemist who formulates for Dominic D'Agostino's research.

The latter two are MLMs, and presently suing each other.

Yes, slashes are a really stupid thing to use in a product name in the internet age.

Skip any products described as raspberry ketones.

General Discussion / Re: Check out this free range chicken farm
« on: February 05, 2016, 04:49:26 PM »
re: Please explain how you use this tractor attachment to gather your errant chickens. Why wouldn't the chickens follow the herd back to their nest especially at dusk or stormy weather?

"Chicken tractor" is just farm lingo for a mobile chicken house - doesn't even mean it moves very often - and almost never behind a real tractor. It's just easily moved, in this case by hand. When we move it, we do so either with the chickens in it, or keep it within their sight, so they have a rough idea of where to find it.

But not being terribly bright, they can get places where they can't figure out how to get back (around a fence), or they let the tractor get out of sight until it's too dark (other side of house will do). Round'up time.

General Discussion / Re: Check out this free range chicken farm
« on: February 05, 2016, 08:26:22 AM »
re: I can't help but wonder how they get the chickens back in at night.

Normally, they go back into the hen house on their own to lay eggs or at dusk.

We've only had to herd them, once, when they ranged to someplace out of sight of our chicken tractor and it got dark.

General Discussion / Re: Dr. D's Open Letter to Oprah
« on: February 01, 2016, 06:53:13 AM »
re: I am certain nobody will see it...

I did  ;)

General Discussion / Re: Wheat Free Beers
« on: January 25, 2016, 08:21:08 PM »
re: Just received an e-mail response from Sleeman breweries stating their beers have only water, barley malt yeast and hops with no wheat whatsoever.

No apparent claim of GF, however (which is not surprising, given that barley is a gluten-bearing grain, and the fermentation process doesn't necessarily modify the proteins substantially).

You've no doubt seen the prior traffic here on WFF, plus our chat on WBB last October.

Sleeman's Clear 2.0 looks to be similar to Bud Lite, and is lower in carbs. BL also contains barley, but also rice, which adds the lectin WGA to the threat profile. For anyone who is not celiac (and 90% of those who are don't know it), having one of these from time to time is probably not that big a deal.

I'll have a BL when there is nothing else to drink, which nowadays is limited to occasional visits to SmashBurger (no bun, of course). The BL is probably safer than any other beverage they offer, including the municipal water.

I'm tending to think that no beer worth drinking could really be "WB Approved".

General Discussion / Re: Wheat belly detox, i,m confused
« on: January 16, 2016, 04:53:10 PM »
re: is it ok to ise r aw honey and maple syrup?

Within whole-meal net carb guidelines, they are no different than any other simple saccharides.

The larger issue might be: are they what they claim to be?

I've written about honey on WFF previously. Maple syrup probably has similar issues in terms of post-collection adulteration and outright fraud on the shelf.

General Discussion / Re: Fish Oil
« on: January 10, 2016, 09:03:51 PM »
re: interested in taking krill oil instead

Run the number$ on what a daily 3000 mg (3 gram) dose will cost. Usually with krill, you need a winning lottery ticket to travel that route. I have a krill bottle in front of me that has an all-too-typical 74 mg of DHA+EPA. That would be 40 capsules a day (often full of stuff you are avoiding, in this case sorbitol).

Less than 2 grams of DHA+EPA combined, per day, is considered ineffective (why so many trials use lower doses is left to your imagination).

General Discussion / Re: Fish Oil
« on: January 07, 2016, 07:48:59 AM »
re: beef has just the right balance/proportions of 3 and 6, no matter if it's grass fed or not.

But what is the breakdown of the n3?

n3/n6 ratio needs attending to, but usually takes care of itself when we start avoiding fake fats.

The more important question is getting ample DHA&EPA, which I suspect beef does not provide, unless you are eating catlle brains, which seems unlikely.

Unless one is consuming seafood regularly, or game snout-to-tail, DHA&EPA are deficient. Eating lots of seafood has Hg risks. Eating entire upland critters isn't trendy yet. This suggests that supplementation is needed by most people.

3 cans of sardines a day would do the trick, and has low Hg risk.

General Discussion / Re: Fish Oil
« on: January 06, 2016, 08:12:53 AM »
That Zahler product linked from the basenote looks OK, but ConsumerLab has tested no products of that brand. Dr. Davis recommends, as I recall, Nordic Naturals and Ascenta Sea brands. I'm presently using a Sam's Club product, but may move off it in the near future.

Cod liver oil, if consumed at levels suggested by Drs. Davis & Perlmutter, contains toxic amounts of Vitamin A. Consuming less is not a solution. Consuming less than 2 grams (2000 mg) per day of DHA&EPA combined is likely a waste of money: the benefits drop off rapidly (this is a big confounder in fish oil studies, as is the context diet).

Flax Omega 3, and indeed almost all plant-source “Omega 3” (marine algae excepted) is ALA, and not DHA&EPA. Humans convert ALA to DHA&EPA, but inefficiently. To get 3 grams of DHA&EPA, you'd get an overdose of ALA.

General Discussion / Re: Supplements for WB
« on: December 22, 2015, 09:56:51 AM »
The outcomes depend on what the supps are.

That Wheat Belly Blog article, by the way, is not a comprehensive list of all supplements that someone on a Wheat Belly regimen might be taking.

Off Topic Discussions / Re: CrockPot as a humidifier
« on: December 19, 2015, 05:59:48 AM »
Using a crockpot as a humidifier is either a benefit or a hazard. If it's a benefit, it's not my problem.

The big advantage that a crock has over a purpose-built humidifier, such as an ultrasonic, is that the crock only releases the water and volatiles into the air. Minerals and other things that don't evaporate below the boiling point of water, remain in the crock (and have to be cleaned out, which will be much easier if you don't let it run completely dry).

A crock is less energy efficient than an ultrasonic, but since you're more likely to need it in winter, the excess heat is not wasted.

I generally prefer an ultrasonic, but it depends heavily on the water used. Our well produces liquid limestone. If we humidify with it using our ultrasonic, it coats everything with calcium carbonate. In addition to being a cleaning nuisance, I suspect this can actually result in failures of electronic devices around the home.

So, rock the crock.

General Discussion / Re: Leg cramps tied to vitamins?
« on: December 09, 2015, 08:02:47 AM »
From remarks I posted to a Cureality thread on this:

The standard answer on leg cramps is magnesium, but that raises the question of what's actually going on (and is that the only aspect of it?) It is generally assumed that the cramps are a result of an electrolyte imbalance, but I'm wondering if there is also an issue with energy metabolism. It's interesting that cramps are more common during sleep, often well into the night. Any diet that results in weight loss is probably going to initially include reduction in water retention and edema. That water carries off things we need (sodium for sure, probably other electrolytes), and having less water around on a continuing basis might provide less of a buffer. Hydration is thus something that needs attention in dealing with cramps.

Zeroing out grains in particular also eliminates the fortifications common to flours in various locales, including folic acid, iron, riboflavin, niacin, and thiamine, all of which are sometimes identified as factors in muscle cramps. Replacing the lost B vitamins is important, with genetically appropriate folates (not necessarily folic acid).

Going low carb also seems to increase the need for sodium (salt) intake, perhaps related to the lower water retention. Reducing consumption of processed foods tend to also reduce salt intake.

Potassium, a major electrolyte, is commonly suggested, as food (e.g. banana, and raw is preferred) or potassium citrate.
Thyroid issues need to be ruled out.

Vitamin E is commonly suggested. The mechanism of action isn't immediately obvious to me.
Relief is reported with probiotics. This, including daily prebiotic, is worth doing even if cramping is not an issue.
A family member can dramatically reduce cramping odds by stretching before bed.
Tonic (quinine) water is suggested. It's a lower concentration quinine (compared to historical therapeutic use of quinine). Mechanism again not obvious.

Calcium is often suggested as a cramp remedy (although not by CR/WB). Attending to adequate Ca intake as foods is important, but I'm reluctant to suggest using Ca supplements.

Other pathologies, such as neuropathies, need to be ruled out if nothing above works.
We tried the soap trick early on: no effect

Sounds like withdrawal from wheat addiction.
The body is saying "hey, that's not wheat - eat something else".

See also: Wheat Withdrawal Zinger

General Discussion / Re: Andrew Scarborough
« on: December 06, 2015, 06:23:50 AM »
That page also has a reply by Jack Kruse, who set out his cancer theory about as concisely as he ever gets, and with the usual frustrating lack of actionable advice (or link to same, which is unfortunate, because his approach is probably straightforward and otherwise harmless, and could be done in concert with metabolic treatments).

No one should be too quick to dismiss his question about the tumor perhaps being on the cell phone side of the brain. My understanding is that there is a correlation between brain cancer location and cell phone hand.

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